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Pareidolia "doesn't exist", says pseudoscientist
« on: October 20, 2013, 10:01:26 AM »
        Two years after he declared "I'm confident I can prove there's no such thing as the laws of physics," university dropout Mike Bara confirms his status as class clown by doing the same thing for the well-established phenomenon that humans often interpret random patterns as faces.

http://mikebara.blogspot.com/2013/10/there-is-no-such-thing-as-pareidolia.html

Here's a citation from 1868.

Here are some of the peer-reviewed journal articles:

Hadjikhan et al. "Early (M170) activation of face-specific cortex by face-like objects" in Neuroreport 2009 Mar 4;20(4):403-7. doi: 10.1097/WNR.0b013e328325a8e1

Uchiyama et al. "Pareidolias: complex visual illusions in dementia with Lewy bodies" in Brain 2012 Aug;135(Pt 8):2458-69. doi: 10.1093/brain/aws126. Epub 2012 May 30.

Maranhão-Filho et al. "Neuropareidolia: diagnostic clues apropos of visual illusions" in Arquivas de neuro-psychiatria 2009 Dec;67(4):1117-23.

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Re: Pareidolia "doesn't exist", says pseudoscientist
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2013, 12:05:02 PM »
Hadjhikhan is referring to face recognition and it's quite plausible that people do see 'faces' where there are none but then the face is fundamentally important to us so it's no wonder there are ingrained recognition functions.
The next two papers studied people with delusional disorders so bear little relevance to the healthy anomaly observing public.
There's still plenty of room left to claim pareidolia is not a widely experienced cognitive glitch.

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Re: Pareidolia "doesn't exist", says pseudoscientist
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2013, 01:15:05 PM »
There's still plenty of room left to claim pareidolia is not a widely experienced cognitive glitch.
Would you say that there's also room to claim that the earliest usage was 1994?

How about his assertion that "Debunkers ... never ... use the far more accurate and more directly overhead views, of which there are now many"? I'd say the HiRISE image is the biggest gift debunkers could wish for, personally.

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Re: Pareidolia "doesn't exist", says pseudoscientist
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2013, 04:49:47 PM »
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Would you say that there's also room to claim that the earliest usage was 1994?

No idea when the earliest usage was though of course if it's only that recent it's arguable that there wasn't much of a phenomenon there to be observed.
As for HiRise yes it's very useful but offhand I can't think of any alleged anomalies it's photos have actually debunked, rather the opposite in fact - the Sphinx looks clearer and that Candor Chasm site looks pretty distinctive too although to be fair I don't think it's in the images of any other orbiter.

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Re: Pareidolia "doesn't exist", says pseudoscientist
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2013, 05:49:12 PM »

No idea when the earliest usage was though....

1868. See my link, up there ^^^

As for HiRise yes it's very useful but offhand I can't think of any alleged anomalies it's [sic] photos have actually debunked....

I would think of...
- The headdress
- 2 eyes
- A tear duct in one eye
- Nostrils
- Teeth

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Re: Pareidolia "doesn't exist", says pseudoscientist
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2013, 08:41:14 PM »
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1868. See my link, up there ^^^

Got round to reading it and again it was referring to something associated with delusional insanity.


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I would think of...
- The headdress
- 2 eyes
- A tear duct in one eye
- Nostrils
- Teeth

OK but there weren't many people claiming their existence, and nobody debunked the face other than hardline sceptics.
It seems like an odd case to cite, people seeing a face where there actually is one.

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Re: Pareidolia "doesn't exist", says pseudoscientist
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2013, 06:06:42 AM »
If you accept the source cited definition of pareidolia in the 1868 issue of The Journal of Mental Science (Volume 13), then Bara is correct.

Pareidolia isn’t a common phenomenon, it’s a rare mental disorder. The over use of the word “pareidolia” is associated with Hallucinations not projection.

The facial aspects observed on the Face on Mars are confirmed features that have been photgraphed, not delusional hallucinations that "appear" as defined by pareidolia. Therefore when skeptics label every observation of face-like formations on Mars as pareidolia, they are totally distorting the word with their own mental disorders.

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Re: Pareidolia "doesn't exist", says pseudoscientist
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2013, 07:46:46 AM »
If you accept the source cited definition of pareidolia in the 1868 issue of The Journal of Mental Science (Volume 13), then Bara is correct.

No.

Bara wrote that the earliest usage was 1994. A citation from 1868 is shown to exist. It follows that Mr. Bara is wrong.

Bara wrote that "Debunkers ... never ... use the far more accurate and more directly overhead views". The wikipedia article, for one obvious example, lavishly cites the MGS, MRO, and Mars Express imagery in support of the  majority view that "a detailed analysis of multiple images of this feature reveals a natural looking Martian hill whose illusory face-like appearance depends on the viewing angle and angle of illumination"

It follows that Mr. Bara is wrong.

Bara wrote that the phenomenon doesn't exist. Numerous citations falsify that statement -- it matters not whether the citations describe it as a normal or aberrant property of human perception. IT EXISTS.

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Re: Pareidolia "doesn't exist", says pseudoscientist
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2013, 08:31:41 AM »
But [James]...the point is, it doesn't exist in the world of the analytical study of Martian surface features.

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2013, 08:45:44 AM »
Oh darn it I have a "metal condition" I can see faces everywhere.... I think I am going rust (nuts)  :muaha:  :muaha:  :muaha: (I just saw 3 faces laughing)
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2013, 08:46:32 AM »
If you accept the source cited definition of pareidolia in the 1868 issue of The Journal of Mental Science (Volume 13), then Bara is correct.

Pareidolia isn’t a common phenomenon, it’s a rare metal disorder. The over use of the word “pareidolia” is associated with Hallucinations not projection.

The facial aspects observed on the Face on Mars are confirmed features that have been photgraphed, not delusional hallucinations that "appear" as defined by pareidolia. Therefore when skeptics label every observation of face-like formations on Mars as pareidolia, they are totally distorting the word with their own mental disorders.

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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2013, 10:21:34 AM »
Mayito7777....thanks, but you don't have to go mental.

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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2013, 12:35:52 PM »
LOL I thought I was going metal I mean mental LOL because I see faces everywhere, in the tiles, in the sky, in the fabrics etc. In bushes, shadows.  :muaha: :muaha:
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Re: Pareidolia "doesn't exist", says pseudoscientist
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2013, 05:30:39 PM »
Mike Bara is definitely  :naughty: NOT the Last Word on the subject.



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The Pseudo-Word: pareidolia


If it is NOT a "Pseudo-Word"  :hmm2:


"Geometreidea" must therefore by simple logic be a: "Word"  :dance2:

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The Lost Word

The Lost Word is the genuine secret of a Master Mason said to be lost with the death of Hiram Abif. It is our opinion that "The Lost Word" is the quest to know your own nature.



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The mythical history of Freemasonry informs us that there once existed a Word of surpassing value, and claiming a profound veneration; that this Word was known to but few; that it was at length lost(~333m); and that a temporary substitute(NOW) for it was adopted. But as the very philosophy of Freemasonry teaches us that there can be no death without a resurrection-no decay without a subsequent restoration-on the same principle it follows that the loss of the Word must suppose its eventual recovery.

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Now, this it is, precisely, that constitutes the myth of the Lost Word and the search for it. No matter what was the Word, no matter how it was lost, nor why a substitute was provided, nor when nor where it was recovered. These are all points of subsidiary importance, necessary, it is true, for knowing the legendary history, but not necessary for understanding the symbolism. The only term of the myth that is to be regarded in the study of its interpretation, is the abstract idea of a word lost and afterward recovered.



The Word, therefore, may be conceived to be the symbol of Dianne Truth; and all its modifications- the loss, the substitution, and the recovery-are but component parts of the mythical symbol which represents a search after truth. In a general sense, the Word itself being then the symbol of Divine Truth, the narrative of its loss and the search for its recovery becomes a mythical symbol of the decay and 1088 of the true religion among the ancient nations, at and after the dispersion on the Plains of Shinar, and of the attempts of the wise men, the philosophers, and priests, to find and retain it in their secret mysteries and initiations, which have hence been designated as the Spurious Freemasonry of Antiquity.



But there is a special or individual, as well as a general interpretation, and in this special or individual interpretation the Word, with its accompanying myth of a loss, a substitute, and a recovery, becomes a symbol of the personal progress of a candidate from his first initiation to the completion of his course, when he receives a full development of the mysteries.

 

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The Lost Word

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There are many who can kindle the emotions, and more still who can arouse the passions, but few who know how to set the mind aglow. 33.3 Degrees is an Illumination.

 Brother Parker, who contributed a memorable article to THE BUILDER last May, is one of these. The present article is one of a series of three bearing the general title "Secrets of the Temple," and is here printed by permission of Brother George K. Staples, 33 degree, Commander of Buffalo Consistory, who arranged to publish the series in book form. The same series has been translated into Italian and is now appearing under the imprint of the Grand Lodge of Italy. The two companion studies will appear in these pages in due time, and will be followed by a discussion of the Swastika, now being written especially for THE BUILDER. The Scottish Rite, Northern Jurisdiction, has signalized its appreciation of Brother Parker's services in leading his brethren to think Masonically by electing him to receive the 33 degree next September. Brother Parker is now an associate editor of THE BUILDER.

 

It Writes/Rights/Rites itself... Upon a clay tablet found amid the ruins of an ancient city upon the Euphrates was found the words of a hymn - a hymn about a Word. The song is old, five thousand years old, and perhaps twenty-five centuries older than any Hebrew scripture, and, in any event, it antedates the final development of those writings. Shall we pause to listen?



The Word that causes the heavens on high to tremble,
 The Word that makes the world below to quake,
 The Word that bringeth destruction to the Annunakis,
 His Word is beyond the diviner, beyond the seer!

 His Word is a tempest without a rival.

The Word of the Lord the heavens cannot endure,
 The Word of Enlil the earth cannot endure,
 The heavens cannot endure the stretching forth of His hand,
 The earth cannot endure the setting forth of His foot!

Here we have an ancient hymn of Babylon in which the wise priesthood of a great religion sang praises to a word. But what this word is we are not told, yet the word is mighty. The adjustment and the readjustment of the Babylonian pantheon was nothing else than an effort to discover the key-word of the world. Nor was the effort of Egypt with its grotesque procession of zoomorphic deities anything less.



And so religions have come and gone, through darkness, superstition and ignorance, striving to find the great secret of welfare and the magical potence that once possessed should be the secret that would unlock the doors of the invisible.



The mystic's search for the great name that shall open all things is as old as man. The mystic still believes that there is a divine mystery concealed in some word, and all through the ages he has thought that he should discover that name. The Hindoo sage pronounces the word AUM, and in it feels that he has a key-word to paradise. Even when, by revelation, the gods tell their names, man has believed that the real name was concealed either totally or within the enigma of the name or in its numerical value. Thus within the name Elohina (Elhim) the mystic finds the number 3.1415, and asserts that Elhim is the master word by which the circle of eternity may be measured.



All ancient names are studied by the Kabbalists for their esoteric numerical value. The letters of the alphabet are also given values in other terms. Thus the sacred word spelled Aleph-Vau-Mem (AUM) would mean: A = Man + Power; U = Creation + Passage; M = Woman + Mother. This word is a mystic triad by which creative energy is invoked, but in a spiritual sense.



The mystic name makers, therefore, in making names sought to choose letters that had certain values and certain numbers. Now the numbers of a name might be added so as to produce another number, for example: Solomon would in Graeco-Egyptian have the literal value of S-L-M-N. S=60; L=30; M=40; N=50. These numbers added give 180. This reduced becomes a series of 20 nines. Nine is the perfect number and is three times three. "The sound of the voice" - such is the meaning of 180, but nine means "My shield and protection". Again let us interpret each letter of this word S-L-M-N. S=60, means a circle commenced. L=30, means the expansion of the circle. M=40, means an uninterrupted continuation (feminine passivity). N-50, means a final extension, a conclusion.



Let us still further examine this mystical name of Solomon. The word plainly says, I am a circular line, extended, continued and concluded. It says, moreover, that it consists of four parts, of the following measures: 60, 30, 40, 50. These total 180, or the number of degrees in a half circle. Therefore, the circle is divided into the number of degrees indicated; i.e., 60+30=90; 40+50=90. Whether this is geometrical or astronomical matters little, for from a study of these angles we can work out, if we have the taste, a whole scheme of Solomonic wisdom. The best interpretation is that the word represents the rising of the sun in the east (Sol), that it passes the morning of S and L and arrives at zenith between L and M (OM), and sets in the west beyond M and N, or ON, and ON is the city or abode of the Sun, the Egyptian name for Heliopolis.



This example is not introduced to mystify or to create the idea that some mysterious doctrine lies behind every name, for most names are so corrupted from the original forms that they cannot easily be analyzed Kabbalistically now. We merely introduce this name to emphasize that the ancients had meanings back of names, and that these meanings might often be discovered. Yet, if a mystical name of a god did conceal a secret, it was so devised that a key-name was used before the real name could be discovered. Thus a man named Solomon might have hidden his name under a substitute word and called himself Davidson, Wiseman, or Jedidiah or some similar name, by which it might be harder to divine the mystery of his "Word" or to "get his number".



Masons are given a new name at the beginning of their initiation into the mysteries, but this name only suggests the real new name that they are to have. The real name comes only to him who overcometh and who hath eaten of the hidden manna. It is then that he receives a white stone and in the stone a "new name" written. (Rev. ii, 17.) Nor must it be thought that there are not those who have eaten of the "hidden manna" and who know their new names.



Veneration of names has not entirely ceased even in civilization. Each of us desires to keep his name "good", for "a good name is rather chosen than fine ointment", "but the name of the wicked shall rot".



Many men labour "to make their names known". Men are willing to expend millions of dollars to spread their names over the face of the globe, as advertisers do, while others by doing great deeds are pleased to see their names become household words.



Our names are a part of our personality, and this extends even to our signatures. This is true to such an extent that there are those who pretend to read the character of a man by his handwriting.



But, how vain it is to strive for the immortality of our names to the neglect of the immortality of our souls.



And still the search for the unknown Word goes on, and man seeks to discover his Deity by name. How easily the truth might be known if we would but interpret aright the text: IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. The nations of the earth since the first awakening of man's religious instinct have turned their minds toward heaven and inquired, "Who is it that has made the earth and all things thereon?" And likewise men have inquired, "Who shall protect me and give me power, who shall deliver me, and whom shall I call upon for favour?"



To answer this men evolved names of spirits, of gods, of duads and triads, and sought by means of these names to discover Deity. Thus it is that man's great quest is to find God and to know Him. To depict this quest is a task that tempts the author's pen, for it is a subject of thrilling interest.



Before going far afield, let us look toward the Hebrew Bible, to see how these scriptures depict the search. Let us scan the first line of Genesis and read from the Hebrew, itself, "In the beginning Gods created-". But let us be more specific; the word translated here "gods" is the Hebrew plural word Elohim (Alohim). Let us pause; why should the scriptures say "gods"? The answer is not afar off; the ancient Hebrews had more than one god!



Every critical scholar admits this and seeks to enlighten us upon the ancient Hebrew pantheon. But we need not go afar to see that even the scriptures as we have them also admit this.



But in this word El (o) him we have the root Al, El, Il, and in that word we have the whole religious history of Babylon and Semitic Asia Minor of antiquity.



This word al means "turning toward" and further elucidation, as suggested by Professor Delitzch, shows that it means "that which a man, turns toward as a goal."



The ancient thought of their gods as dwelling up above in the place toward which man turns his eyes in and above the sky. A Babylonian hymn calls the sun-god "the goal toward which all the eyes of the inhabitants are turned". (Cf. Job xxxvi, 25.) So, following this idea, the oldest of Semites gave to the God-one who dwelt above and ruled the sky world the name il or el. It was He to whom they looked.



The worship of Il or El by the early North Semitic tribes as well as to the south was an established fact as early as 2500 B.C., 1300 years before the rise of the religion of Yahwe [Jehovah].



In later times these Els or Elohim were conceived as plural beings, duads and triads and more. Suffice to relate that the names of the early Hebrew gods were many and all of the local gods or baals, and particularly Ashtar and Yerahme'el. These to the Hebrews were all Elohim, just as to the northern Semites of Palestine they were Baalhim or baals. The word El, or Al, was a far-spread name and from it the Arabians took the name of their Deities, and later the Mohammedans used it in constructing their word for God - Allah.



Cheyne points out an interesting origin for the name El and ascribes it to the Phoenician alm. This word was used as the title of the chief god of the Phoenician trinity who was Yerahme'el. The title may have been thus applied but as a word it was used far earlier than this special application of it.



In the historical fragments that we have given we have only indicated the world search, age-long, for the "lost word". In the new dispensation we are given a clear vision of how we may discover that word and apply it. Lost? Why should it ever have been lost? In all ages there have been those who possessed that word, but these have been the few who had paid the price of learn. It was folly, to think that this "word" could ever be communicated by word of mouth or by outward sign, for it can be known only from one source and by one means.



In ancient Freemasonry under the old operative system there were three masters sitting in the west, "thereby better enabling them to observe the rising of the sun in the east". Each master bore a rod as the symbol of his office. Each rod was of different length, as follows: Solomon's rod was five units in length, Hiram of Tyre's four units, and Hiram Abiff's three units.



According to Masonic tradition upon each rod was a name, just such sort of names as Chapter Masons use, though not the same names by any means.



By the use of the rods, placed end to end, a right angle triangle can be formed. For example, rods of three inches, four inches and five inches placed end to end in the form of a triangle will form a perfect right angle at the point where rod 4 meets rod 3. Rod 5 makes the hypotenuse.



Now according to our ancient traditions upon the slain Hiram's rod was the full name of Deity, or perhaps the first and most important syllable. His rod was essential not only in forming the ineffable word but in completing the right angle.



It was Hiram Abiff's rod for which the Craftsmen were instructed to search, and not a square. The early ritual makers have erred, I think, in making a square the implement discovered.



Thus is explained the calamity that is depicted in our third degree, but the ritual as evolved since 1717 has obscured and even mutilated the secrets as well as the meanings of more ancient rites.



An actual word was lost and with it one of the three standards of Solomon's system of mensuration. Little wonder that Andonairarn received a place of honour succeeding Hiram, for only Adonairam could make another metal rod equal to that which was lost, but oven he could not engrave upon it the lost syllable Yah or word Yabweh.



It is the philosopher who points the way by which we may recover that word, for it is the real word and not any substitute that makes men and Masons good men and true. And when we have given ourselves as the price, the name enters our hearts; and when it so enters it becomes an impulse that translates itself in the expression of a life.
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Re: Pareidolia "doesn't exist", says pseudoscientist
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2013, 08:01:41 PM »
A little Back-History of Dr.Tobias Owen and Gerry Soffen setting the stage for the meme'.

Just as a Gag!, :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
"Oh, my God, look at this! Gee whiz, isn’t that weird!"

Tobias Owen and Gerry Soffen started the "Skit" in full view of the press.

 :naughty: I NEVER started this meme but I can Work with it. :koolaid:

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Gerry Soffen got up in front of the press and showed them this quirky face and said: "Isn’t it peculiar what tricks of lighting and shadows can do? When we took a picture a few hours later it all went away; it was just a trick, just the way the light fell on it." Somebody made a joke: "The head is telling us where to land." All the reporters present accepted the opinion of the Viking Mission expert. The present press people believed the words from Gerry Soffen. He was a very open scientist and in such a way, nobody moved his words into doubt.


S.A.E.T.I. on example Mars Face
 
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"The object before which the spacesuited man was posing was a vertical slab of jet-black material, about ten feet high and five feet wide: it reminded Floyd, somewhat ominously, of a giant tombstone... ‘You see, it is approximately three million years old. What you are now looking at is the first evidence of intelligent life beyond the Earth’, Dr. Michaels declared."
 
This is a part of the wellknown story "2001: A Space Odyssey" by Arthur C. Clarke, published in 1968. It was a genius story. She leans on, at the general atmosphere on the world by those round circled Earth missiles, Sputniks and satellites. Can however that become reality? What comes about if we found an object actual from extraterrestrials on another celestial body in our solar system?

The year 1968 was also the departure of mankind to another celestial body: the Moon. American astronauts were prepared for the first landing of people on the Earth trabant . It was an incredible atmosphere of departure on the whole world. On July 24, 1969, a year later, the landing was succeesful at the Moon, in the "sea of rest", Mare Tranquilitatis. A mankinds dream became reality. Five landings followed further to the Moon until 1972. The human being now became to space farers!

There was also another atmosphere of departure in 1968. Some researchers and authors were of the opinion, it was already before millennia other astronauts on our Earth. In the myths and legends, Gods which at one time came from the sky are mentioned. What did seem likely than to make these Gods to astronauts. If capable of the people now are space travel to operate why should they not also dominate other living beings on other celestial bodies. And they are perhaps much held over and have spaceships which they can bear through the infinite widths of the cosmos. Too on rock drawings and wall reliefs in temples and at old buildings, strange figures which are reminiscent of astronauts are to be seen.

Already in 1962 and 1965, the French researchers and book authors Luis Pauwels, Jacques Bergier and Robert Charroux means that the Gods were astronauts. Even the angels in the Bible should have been space travellers. However, Erich von Däniken caused the great God astronauts boom in summer 1968. Its first book "Erinnerungen an die Zukunft" (later in English published as "Chariots of the Gods") sold itself 20.000 times within a month.[/sup]

In the year 1975 it began a new space odyssey. The NASA started two space probes, Viking 1 and Viking 2, to the planet Mars which should search for the first time for life on Mars. One landed on July 20, 1976 in the "land of gold", Chryse Planitia. The other one on September 4, 1976 in Utopia. Both landing units had an automatic bio laboratory on board which should carry out chemical analyses. Life could not then be proved directly. However, something other excited ones the people of NASA at the Jet Propulasion Laboratory, JPL, in Pasadena, JPL, in California. When the space probe Viking 1 flew over the Cydonia area, looked suddenly something from the Mars surface towards her, a human like face. The NASA people had not immediately seen the picture however the space probe made pictures of it which then noticed her about themselves.

Tobias Owen was the first one who held the picture of this face in his hands. He showed it Gerry Soffen, which then presented the Mars pictures to the press with the words: "Oh, my God, look at this! Gee whiz, isn’t that weird!"



The first complete image P-17384 of the "Mars Face" by NASA/JPL.

In the next room, in the meantime, a whole slant of journalists and press people had collected in order to receive the first "live data" from Mars. There were people from every land of the world. Gerry Soffen got up in front of the press and showed them this quirky face and said: "Isn’t it peculiar what tricks of lighting and shadows can do? When we took a picture a few hours later it all went away; it was just a trick, just the way the light fell on it." Somebody made a joke: "The head is telling us where to land." All the reporters present accepted the opinion of the Viking Mission expert. The present press people believed the words from Gerry Soffen. He was a very open scientist and in such a way, nobody moved his words into doubt. No further questions were also put there.

Another scientist, Dr. Harold Masursky, of the US Geological Survey Center, in Flagstaff, Arizona, has made in the news paper "Science News" of August 7, 1976 the funny statement about this face-like structure: "This is the guy that built all of Lowell’s canals." And that was it! Hardly a newspaper, hardly a reporter issued anythging in the next few weeks and months about this peculiarity on Mars. The NASA had meanwhile placed the picture with the number P-17384 (35A72) into the files on July 31, 1976.

On December 15, 1976, I was watching the late news on the Austrian television channel, ORF, when suddenly a special film was screened. The commentator presented the film which was said to have been taken by Viking 1 during its search for a suitable landing site. Till today I don’t know were the film has made. He could also be made by means of the NASA picture by a press agency. I had seen this thing anyway on Mars then for the first time and I immediately made enquiries. From the Austrian televison, I received a photograph outlet of this film in the 35mm black on white format which however was not very informative. It was a pure black and white picture without grey scales. I was convinced anyway so far that on the original NASA picture would be had to be seen more. In such a way, I wrote to different NASA institutions which at this time stood in connection with the Viking mission. Also because no further information about this alleged NASA film could be given to me by the Austrian television.

Whilst the other branches of NASA did not reply, I actually did receive several Viking mission photos from the JPL on October 31, 1977. Apparently, they had no knowledge of a "Mars Face". A gentleman by the name of Don Bane, from the Public Information Office, wrote to me: "Those nicknames you give the picture (like ‘Marsface’) mean absolutely nothing to me – they are your nicknames, not mine." And some lines above in this letter Don wrote: "I send thousands of pictures each mounth to hundreds of people. I can’t possibly remeber what I have sent to anyone." I would absolutely have to quote the archive numbers of the photo, or he would not be able to help me any furher. A must say, that at this time it was not usual to publish the archiv numbers of any picture of the Viking mission. And from this "Face" on Mars did in any case report nowhere.



Text from the letter of Don Bane, JPL, of October 31, 1977.

However, I did not yield. If there should already be a NASA film of this face, a picture would be had to be received nevertheless also from that. And on March 2, 1978, I had received a further letter from Don Bane. He wrote: "At last I know what you mean when you refer to the ‘mars face’ picture!" At last, I had "my Mars Face", and it was a very good picture which featured very good details. Although one half of the Face was still lying in shadow, some "points of light" were discernible and able to be used as the basis for further investigations (see image above).



Text from the letter of Don Bane, JPL, of March 2, 1978.

In this letter, Don also let me know the precise co-ordinates of the object on Mars: 40.89 degrees North latitude and 9.55 degrees West longitude. This imediately enabled me to pinpoint the position of the "Mars Face" to the Cydonia region. Finally, Don offered the opinion in this letter, in reply to my request for more and better shots of this object, that no other picture of it exist. On the back of the photo was added the mentioned press release dated with July 31, 1976 with more precise information on the photo from Viking 1 with the following words:

„The picture shows eroded mesa-like landforms. The huge rock formation

in the center, which resembles a human head, is formed by shadows

giving the illusion of eyes, nose and mouth. The feature is 1.5

kilometers (one mile) across, with the sun angle at approximately

20 degrees. The speckled appearance of the image is due to bit errors,

emphasized by enlargement of the photo. The picture was taken on July

25 from a range of 1873 kilometers (1162 miles). Viking 2 will arrive

in Mars orbit next Saturday (August 7) with a landing scheduled for

early September."

 
 
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So for the time being I had no other option but to carry out my own experiments. I designe a model – a reconstruction of the Face. Using a modelling clay, I constructed a face which resembled the one on Mars as closely as possible and illuminated it with a spoptlight exactly as described in the JPL press release. I came to the conclusion that in the original shots, something of the shadowed half of the Face must be visible. However, at this time no corresponding graphics programs were available to me to find out more. I made a drawing based upon the NASA picture with the exact location of the Face and I was surprised about the symmetry. I compared the size of the Face with the size of the Cheops pyramid in Egypt.

Towards the press release, Don wrote to me that the sunlight came in to the Face on an angle of 10 degrees. Through a misunderstanding with "one mile across" I had specified the size of the Face from the "chin" to the "forehead" with 1.5 kilometers. Only years later, according to the American investigations, I had recognized that this is the width of the Face.

At this time, in 1978, I had some difficulties to make at all considerably to the public, the press and experts attentive to this "Mars Face". I decided a book about it and about other hypotheses about the red planet. It went at the end of 1978 at printing and it was ready in February 1979. It was my book "Wir, vom Mars" (We, from Mars), published by a small publisher in Cologne, Germany, with a considerable printing costs subsidy from myself. In October 1979, I presented my book at the wellknown Frankfurter book fair with a large photograph of the Face. The interest was yet very small although visitors quite some surprises they came via the picture but no doubt. Nobody did believe so right that such a thing would be able to be there on Mars.

For this purpose, one must know, that I was a member of the "Ancient Astronaut Society", AAS, founded in 1973 by the American lawyer Dr. Gene M. Phillips of Illinois, in order to find a broader basis for the exploration of indications of extraterrestrial intelligences at the pre-time. Members of the society were people of interest, famous personalities and some scientists. An essential part of it had Erich von Däniken who had already great success with his books about this "prae astronauts".I had informed him of course about the Face on Mars. If the alleged indications for extraterrestrial Gods visits, in the form of other ones intelligences, they should not be convincing enough, no doubt. An artificial subject on Mars would then be the final evidence for the prae astronaut hypothesis. On June 5, 1978, I contacted Gene Phillips about the Face on Mars. In a letter on October 22, 1978, he stated that " the ‘face’ is indeed fascinating but I do not think there is enough substantiation for publication through our society".

After I learned my book was published I wrote again to Don Bane in order to try to possibly procure some more and better photos of the Face. In a letter of September 12, 1978 he wrote to me: "Since you already have a picture of the face, I see no need to load you down with another, and we have no picture that shows that region at closer range." The Face had come into existence trough a combination of wind erosion and sun light.



Text from the letter of Don Bane, JPL, of September 12, 1978.

When my book was published, after March 1979, I published several newspaper articles in Austria and in Germany. Also Erich von Däniken showed a spark of interest after receiving my sample book copy, after an initial lack of interest. In the German edition of the newspaper of the AAS "Ancient Skies" of July/August 1980 I could publish a report about the Face with the title "Kamen die Götter vom Mars?" (Did the Gods came from Mars?) including a photo of the Face and my reconstructive drawing of 1978. The newspaper also announced a lecture by me, presented at a one day meeting of AAS members in Fulda, Germany, on October 25, 1980. The interest was also not especially great according to my lecture. But after the meeting, Prof. Dr. Harry O. Ruppe, specialist for space travel technology at the Technical University in Munich, Germany, announced to us who had presented lectures, that he would intervene in the matter of the Face on Mars. However, that was then unfortunately not the case. One would have been able to already then quite carry out closer scientific investigations on the first Mars picture. However no institute and no university was then interested thereby in Europe.

At this time, I read by coincidence, in the 23rd October, 1980 issue of the Geman magazine "Stern", about two Americans, Vincent DiPietro and Gregory Molenar. These two had produced posters and paper reports about the Face on Mars and were alleged to be spreading the world about contacts between the ancient Egyptians and Martian inhabitants. Since there was no mention in the report about new results in relation to the Face on Mars, and the only illustration was the photo which was now very familiar to me, I did not think it necessary at that time to contact the two Americans. Today, I know that this was a mistake – I could have saved myself considerable hardship.

In January 1981, a reader letter was still published by me in the wellknown German journal "Bild der Wissenschaft" (Picture of Science). where I made attentive to the Mars Face. However nothing resulted further. Also the wellknown engineer Philip J .Klass, employee of the journal "Aviation Week & Space Technology" and book author, was not very impressed by the Face as he has visited me on January 10, 1983. In August 1985, the German edition of the magazine "Penthouse", carried a report by Prof. Harry O. Ruppe about the Face and the other structures on Mars under the title "Monument auf dem Mars" (Monument on Mars). However this report was not known to me at that time. In such a way, I placed my efforts away however I should have a surprise in 1987.

On April 4, 1987, I was sitting unsuspectingly in front of the television, watching the "Incredible Stories" of the Luxembourg TV channel RTL plus. The well-known reference book author Johannes von Buttlar presented his book "Leben auf dem Mars" (Life on Mars). The cover of the book shows the Face on Mars, which was already confessed to me. The author never got in touch with me and I also had no knowledge of his research. He also showed the colored computer images from Vincent DiPietro and Gregory Molennar. But the part which was, for me, "incredible", was that he presented a bad photo of my Mars Face model and designated it as a possible forgery. I immediately wrote to the shows’s compare. I was promised that the matter would be put right – but that has not eventuated till today.

But so I have learned, that the two Americans, Vincent DiPietro and Gregory Molenaar, have done a very good scientific work. The two Americans had indeed detected in fact one further photo of the Mars Face of 1976 in the archive of the Goddard Space Flight Center in Washington D.C. And therefore they found out, that this human face is not accomplished on Mars only by a specific incidence of light.

I found out by own enquiries that there were investigations of the appropriate Mars pictures extensive already in 1984, that the American science writer and analyst Richard C. Hoagland had scheduled. An "Independent Mars Investigation Team", existing from several specialists, under it also Vincent DiPietro and Gregory Molenaar, would exhibit firm that the Mars face and further strange Mars structures would be able to be possibly the factory of Mars inhabitants. In the book "The Face on Mars", by Randolfo R. Pozos, published 1986 in Chicago, I could all that read, after I had received one in 1987. The official title of the report of the team was:

PRELIMINARY REPORT OF THE INDEPENDENT MARS INVESTIGATION TEAM:

NEW EVIDENCE OF PRIOR HABITATION?

(C) 1984 by Richard C. Hoagland, Organizer

Independent Mars Investigation Team

August, 1984 (Revised December 12, 1984)
 
Of course, I immediately wrote to some of the appropriate persons, nevertheless merely from Vincent DiPietro I received an answer and its corresponding publications - a publication through the Goddard Space Flight Center, where he is a employee, of June 8, 1987, below the title "Unusual Martian Surface Feature" and a pamphlet of 1988 with the same name. In Chicago, in 1989, during a world conference of the AAS, from August 25 to August 27, I had the occasion, to meet Vincent DiPietro and Gregory Molenaar in person and I was also later directly at the place of work of Vincent DiPietro in the Goddard Space Flight Center. It was a friendly meeting pleasant to me.

In 1987, Richard C. Hoagland has published a book with the title "The Monuments of Mars". He describes his efforts for the investigations of the Mars things and he appears amazed via a publication of the journal "Soviet Life", dated of August 1984, which might burst in into the middle of the American activities. In the report "Pyramids on Mars?", it is claimed allegedly that the Russians had detected these Mars structures as well as the Mars face already in 1983. After I checked the book of Hoagland, I found a picture of the appropriate report which shows my drawing of 1978. The report was written from Vladimir Avinsky, whose name was already confessed me as a member of the "Ancient Astronaut Society". That was a further shock for me. My publications, without my knowledge, there wander around the world with the contention ones would have detected the Mars structures and the Mars face. During the conference in Chicago in 1989 however, I had a clarifying conversation with Vladimir Avinsky. He has published a book where he mentions my drawing with my name. However that had refrained the journal "Soviet Life". The picture has taken Avinsky from my report in "Ancient Skies" from 1980 without informed me.

On August 3, 1993, I could again during a world conference of the "Ancient Astronaut Society", hold a lecture in Las Vegas, and on September 16, 1994 one in Sydney, Australia. In 1995 was published my book "Das Marsgesicht" through the wellknown German publisher Herbig in Munich in which I describe my discoveries at length. This book was translated into several languages - but not in English. I then held further lectures in Austria, Germany and in Switzerland and published some newspaper reports.

In any way Vincent and Gregory had already in fall 1979 detected a further picture of the Mars face in the NASA archive of the Goddard Space Flight Center. Already in 1977, Vincent DiPietro had seen in an obscure prae-astronautic magazine, a picture of the Mars face, but he was in the opinion that it is a joke. But this new photo, made a month after the first photo 35A72, also made from Viking 1, on August 29, 1976, registered under the number 70A13, however, had convinced him. The sun lay at this time in the West, 27 degrees over the horizon - therefore, the thing was below an other, shorter shadow. It shows a human face rather even more clearly. By different picture investigations, too with the aid of a false colour analysis, the two Americans could find closer details as a pupil in an eye of the Face.

Vincent DiPietro and Gregory Molenaar presented its investigation results for the first time publicly by means of paper reports and pictures on May 1, 1980 in a hotel in Lanham, in Maryland. However, the interest was small. Merely a hand full prospective customers, some astronomers of the NASA and some reporters of magazines and radio stations were present. A NASA speaker joked: "I hope you have better luck than we do!". He was rather amused via the small investment of the press and the public, Vincent DiPietro later reported.

On June 16, 1980, the both ones held a lecture during the annual conference of the "American Astronomical Society" in College Park, in Maryland. Several broadcast reporters and press people, which also received photographs of the computer analyses of the two Americans, were present. Already before, on May 26, 1980, appeared a report about the investigation results of the two Americans in the journal "Sunpapers" in Baltimore. Till 1985, there were several publications of the results of the two Americans and they also held lectures. Under that a report in the worldwide known and recognized serious "Washington Post" on May 28, 1980: in the "Los Angeles Times" dated on June 1, 1980; in the science magazine "OMNI" in October 1980 and April 1982; in the "London Daily Telegraph" of November 19, 1984 and during the Mars conferences "The Case for Mars" of the University in Boulder, Colorado, in April and May 1981 and from July 10 to July 14, 1984. By these activities of 1980, the German magazine "Stern" would be allowed to have become attentive. Richard C. Hoagland was also present in 1981 in Boulder and he meet for the first time DiPietro and Molenaar. According to his own words however, he did not imitate made "click" in his head. He forgot for the time the Mars pictures.

The wellknown American astronomer and science author Dr. Carl Sagan, still in the year 1976, with the aid of students, searched after strange and striking objects, by means of numerous Mars pictures, however they discovered nothing – also not the Mars Face. Later, when the pictures were also confessed to him by DiPietro and Molenaar, he wrote in the magazine "Parade" of June 1985, he "might not support the theory that the face in Cydonia was artificially constructed. However, he has not enough evidences against it".

Tobias Owen, together with Donald Goldsmith, published in 1980 a book with the title "The Search for Life in the Universe", nevertheless he mentions the Mars Face with no word. Although he writes about UFO's and about Erich von Däniken. But in their third edition of 2001 the Face is now interesting enough for the authors and they mention it with pictures.

Another American author, David L. Chandler, represents in his book "Life on Mars", appeared in 1979, the opinion of the press speaker of the NASA of 1976 if he writes: "Some hours later, when the solar angle and the shadow changed, this area showed a very usual structure, a fleeting illusion."

In the year 1986, a new Mars Investigation Group, mentioned shortly as "MIG", formed itself, at the University of California in Berkeley. Involved with that team were also Dr. Brian O’Leary, a former American astronaut and Dr. David Webb, a former space travel consultant of the American president. This team came again to the conclusion, that this Mars Face and the other striking Mars structures should be investigated more closely with further space probes. From there, now the Mars Face was relatively well known to the public, it is flowed in into Hollywood movies as in 1986 in "Invaders from Mars", a reproduction of the old film of 1953 and later in the year 2000 in "Mission to Mars".

According to many inquiries in the case of the JPL, among other things by protest rallies of Hoagland supporters, the NASA has itself include the face in a determined manner - if it is possible - with new Mars probes more closely and that was successful on April 5, 1998 with the space probe Mars Global Surveyor. The object shows again the similarity with a human face as that has already followed from the computer analyses of the Viking pictures. This space probe, on April 8, 2001, then succeeded the clearest image, with a resolution of only 1.86 meters. The details are to be seen precisly. Later, further pictures were made through the same space probe and from other space probes like the orbiter 2001 Mars Odyssey in 2002 and 2004, the European Mars Express in 2006 and the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter in the year 2007. All the pictures let as recognize a similarity to a human face, like the pictures before of the Viking probes - even it is simply an unusual natural rock. However, it is by no means only a "fleeting illusion" and also no a cloud game as some people meant.



The Face on Mars photographed on May 5, 2004 by 2001 Mars Odyssey.

Donald Goldsmith and Tobias Owen wrote again about the Face: "The resulting image clearly shows that we are dealing with an entirely natural feature of the martian landscape. which resembles a human face only when lighting conditions and the camera viewing angle are just right." (2001, Page 356) This in comparison to the bad and raw images of 1998. The fact is, that this mountain an Mars is visible as a human face under different sun angles from 10 to 27 degrees (perhaps more) and an image of 2001 Mars Odyssey of October 24, 2002, with the sunlight coming from the East, shows also (but indeed not so good) a humaniod like feature.
It is not right if scientists say that people seeing faces were no faces are, the nature makes structures like human faces - or the humans itself carved their own faces in stones and buildings. So human faces on rocks on another planet can be indeed artificial constructed like the faces of the American presidents on the Mount Rushmore.

In the beginnings of the discovery the NASA, like many astronomers, geologists and other scientists, press people and specialized book authors, have this face on Mars completely ignored or taken not seriously - with exception of Vincent DiPietro and Gregory Molenaar. Those however had the same fate in America as I had in Europe. For me it was in anyway a true Mars odyssey, that led over many ways around the world and for all others it was a new space odyssey in accordance to the introduction of Arthur C. Clarke. The Mars Face is now an example how we handle an extremely strange discovery that would be able refer to an artificial origin from extraterrestrial intelligences: with mockery and ignorance. The NASA flies to Mars for the search after traces of life and they do not find it necessarily to give more attention to an extremely striking Mars surface feature. That was unintelligible to many people. In the future, we should be more cautious during such or similar discoveries and we should saw at it perhaps more precisely - even if the first impression is a completely usual one.

The Mars Face in the Cydonia area is in anyway the first object outside of our Earth which was examined for a scientifically wise - almost worldwide - ones for a possible factory of extraterrestrial intelligences. In this way, it appertains for search after artifacts from extraterrestrial intelligent, SAETI (Search for Artifacts of Extraterrestrial Intelligences). A term which was created in 1992 by myself - in dependence on the known SETI investigation - and which should occupy a place value in this field. The search will go on even if the probability of a discovery in this direction is very small.

Books to this report:

Buttlar, Johannes v.: Leben auf dem Mars, Munich, 1987.

Carlotto, Mark J.: The Martian Enigmas, Berkeley, 1991.

Chandler, David L.: Life on Mars, New York, 1979.

DiPietro, Vincent; Molenaar, Gregory; Brandenburg, John :

              Unusual Mars Surface Features, Glenn Dale, Fourth Edition, 1988.

Grossinger, Richard: Planetary Mysteries, Berkeley, 1986.

Hain, Walter, Wir vom Mars, Collogne ,1979.

  -„- , Walter: We from Mars, self printed and revised version, Vienna, 1992.

  -„- , Walter: Das Marsgesicht, Munich, 1995.

Hoagland, Richard C.: The Monuments of Mars, Berkeley, 1987.

         -"- , Richard C.: Die Mars-Connection, Munich-Essen, 1994.

McDaniel, Stanley V.; Rix Paxson, Monica: The Case for the Face, Kempton, 1998.

Owen, Tobias; Goldsmith, Donald: Auf der Suche nach Leben im Weltall, Stuttgart,1985.

    -„- ; Goldsmith, Donald: The Search for Life in the Universe, New York, 1980;

             Third Edition, Sausalito, 2001.

Pozos, Randolfo R.: The Face on Mars, Chicago, 1986.

 

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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2013, 07:16:31 PM »
First we will Look at evidence so fresh itz happening now.
Facial recognition software was not part of NASA/JPL in 1976
When we re-analyse the original data,the face-like structure remains apperant.

Obviously...any serious claim of artificiality deems this structure: ---ANCIENT---
And if anyone like Dr. Tobias Owen or Gerry Soffen cause a GEE-WHIZ!!! moment...
then this is the moment that still transpires from that moment / event.
No one here including Mike Bara started this meme'  it came from JPL.

The working hypothesis is that what researchers see is either a Face that has crumbled,
or A Bifurcated hominid leonine sphinx.
Wether a crumbled image of a once full face,it is accepted that you mirror the facade,
and by doing so through symmetry you reconstruct the ruined side back into a full face.
Exactly how they reconstruct fragmental "Potsherds" to realise the vessel's shape,style.

If it is an sapien/felix SPHINX you can still achieve the full face of the hominid by:
"Mirroring" Rorschach test style symmetricaly down the crown to chin axis.
Assuming a leonine half of a bifurcated hybrid face you can also reconstruct the features.

A crumbled face makes sense.
A "Sphinx" also makes sense.
Might be plain ole' geology.

Everywichwaybutloose...itz VERY OLD.
Of course...once again someone must at least attempt to be in Mike's defence:
as he is tried and true methodically attacked by this pseudo-prosecutor's agenda.

So lincoln from the Ancient to ANU
seeing faces is a unique trait of humans.

We can tell when a cat is a cat and a hominid is an ad hominin against a non-present member.
You insult Keith's intelligence.



Wook...rip lefty's rite arm off.  :reefer: heh.



just kidding.



Back to lincoln's fetish about seeing mike bara's face...  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:








New insight into why each human face is unique

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Axel Visel and Catia Attanasio have found thousands of enhancers in the human genome that are involved in craniofacial development. Credit: Roy Kaltschmidt, Berkeley Lab

The human face is as unique as a fingerprint, no one else looks exactly like you. But what is it that makes facial morphology so distinct? Certainly genetics play a major role as evident in the similarities between parents and their children, but what is it in our DNA that fine-tunes the genetics so that siblings – especially identical twins - resemble one another but look different from unrelated individuals? A new study by researchers at the U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) has now shown that gene enhancers - regulatory sequences of DNA that act to turn-on or amplify the expression of a specific gene – are major players in craniofacial development


"Our results suggest it is likely there are thousands of enhancers in the human genome that are somehow involved in craniofacial development," says Axel Visel, a geneticist with Berkeley Lab's Genomics Division who led this study. "We don't know yet what all of these enhancers do, but we do know that they are out there and they are important for craniofacial development."

Visel is the corresponding author of a paper in the journal Science that describes this research. The paper is titled "Fine Tuning of Craniofacial Morphology by Distant-Acting Enhancers."

While some genetic defects responsible for craniofacial pathologies such as clefts of the lip or palate have been identified, the genetic drivers of normal craniofacial variation have been poorly understood. Previous work by Visel and his collaborators, in which they mapped gene enhancers in the heart, the brain and other organ systems demonstrated that gene enhancers can regulate their targets from across distances of hundreds of thousands of base pairs. To learn whether gene enhancers can also have the same long-distance impact on craniofacial development, Visel and a multinational team of collaborators studied transgenic mice.

"We used a combination of epigenomic profiling, in vivo characterization of candidate enhancer sequences, and targeted deletion experiments to examine the role of distant-acting enhancers in the craniofacial development of our mice," says Catia Attanasio, the lead author on the Science paper. "This enabled us to identify complex regulatory landscapes, consisting of enhancers that drive spatially complex developmental expression patterns. Analysis of mouse lines in which individual craniofacial enhancers had been deleted revealed significant alterations of craniofacial shape, demonstrating the functional importance of enhancers in defining face and skull morphology."
 

Berkeley Lab researchers identified distant-acting transcriptional enhancers in the developing craniofacial complex and studied them in detail in transgenic mice. Credit: Berkeley Lab

In all, Visel, Attanasio and their colleagues identified more than 4,000 candidate enhancer sequences predicted to be active in fine-tuning the expression of genes involved in craniofacial development, and created genome-wide maps of these enhancers by pin-pointing their location in the mouse genome. The researchers also characterized in detail the activity of some 200 of these gene enhancers and deleted three of them. A majority of the enhancer sequences identified and mapped are at least partially conserved between humans and mice, and many are located in human chromosomal regions associated with normal facial morphology or craniofacial birth defects.
"Knowing about the existence of these enhancers, which are inherited from parents to their children just like genes, knowing their exact location in the human genome, and knowing their general activity pattern in craniofacial development should facilitate a better understanding of the connection between genetics and human craniofacial morphology," Visel says. "Our results also offer an opportunity for human geneticists to look for mutations specifically in enhancers that may play a role in birth defects, which in turn may help to develop better diagnostic and therapeutic approaches."

Visel says he and his collaborators are now in the process of refining their genome-wide maps to gain additional information about the activity patterns of these enhancer sequences. They are also working with human geneticists to perform targeted searches for mutations of these enhancer sequences in human patients who have craniofacial birth defects.


 Explore further: Genome-wide atlas of gene enhancers in the brain online

More information: "Fine Tuning of Craniofacial Morphology by Distant-Acting Enhancers," by C. Attanasio; A.S et al. Science, 2013.

 

Journal reference:  Science search and more info website

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http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-insight-human-unique.html
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2013, 08:33:23 AM »
Mike has now definitively shot himself in the foot. Check out this Picasa gallery of figures from his new book.

Frames 6,7,8 include added notes mocking Stuart Robbins, one of Mike's critics, as he explains conjunction/opposition and perihelion/aphelion. This would be childish enough if he had got it right, but in fact his diagrams are entirely WRONG. He seems to think perihelion and aphelion refer to Mars' distance from Earth whereas in fact they define the minimum/maximum distances from the Sun. The prefix helio- might have alerted him to this if he had thought about it coherently.

Stuart Robbins is a Ph.D. astronomer at Univ. Colorado.

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Lunar & Martian Anomalies
 
Date: 10-28-13
Host: George Noory
Guests: Mike Bara 


Author and secret space program researcher, Mike Bara, will discuss lunar anomalies as well as alien structures on Mars. He'll detail evidence that there was once a vast, technologically advanced civilization on Mars which may have vanished in a solar system wide cataclysm of their own making only to escape to Earth and start anew.
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2013, 06:03:02 PM »
Amazingly that shot in Mike's foot richocheted back and gave you a grievous wound leaving no leg to stand on Linke.

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These cells are also exceedingly rare, Prof. Martin says. "We actually saw them ten years ago, but these were a few cells out of thousands, so we thought that it was a mistake and discarded the data. :damned:

"But they cropped up every once in a while,  :flush:  and when we finally put them together, they look much more like cells in the cortex than in the thalamus."


"...they look much more like cells in the cortex than in the thalamus." :whistle: -Professor Paul Martin

Of course...seeing a simulacrum to a face is not to be confused with a real(living)face.
Simulacrum is a real  WORD that differentiates from a pseudo-word.
Lincoln,there is an ancient part of the brain that is in play that you avoid acknowledging.
It is covered here in this thread: http://keithlaney.net/SMF/index.php?topic=10675.0

Edge Detection.
And Through the Auspices of Dr.Tobias Owen And Gerry Soffen(NASA/JPL) it was THEY who started this entire controversy.
It was THEIR Edge Detectors and THEIR Neurons that fired and began this whole sordid subject.

What exactly was the technological state of Edge Detection on Mariner9 and Vikings 1 & 2 anyways?

We KNOW image editing software has it as standard function, like  PHOTOSHOP, etc.

This TRUMPS "seeing faces" :whip: and is an ANCIENT MECHANISM that will arrest this debate.

There are Many Edges detected in Cydonia and they relate geometrically and geophysically.


Saying you suffer from some pseudo-condition that may or may not exist is fine for pseudoskeptics. :gives:


 :thwack:You cannot 'Suffer' from "Edge-Detection" so much as 'Survive' by it. :hmm2:

You are correct in detecting that I Am edging you out of your pseudoscientific woo-wooism Lefty.
An "Edging like Ockham's Razor" that edges out your smug little attitude in a simple deft maneuver.
 

Enjoy as the defense calls witnesses Dr.Tobias Owen and Dr.Gerry Soffen for cross-exam. :muaha:





 
'Ancient brain' helps us avoid accidents

October 28, 2013



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(Medical Xpress)—Scientists at Australia's Vision Centre (VC) have found a group of rare cells in the human brain that recognise edges – helping us to avoid accidents and recognise everything we use or see in daily life.

   

 
To their surprise, they located the cells in the 'primitive' brain - the part of our brain that was previously just thought to pass information from the eye to the higher brain, or cortex, to interpret it.

Their discovery has thrown new light on how the vision system of humans and other primates operates – and how we use vision to move around, find food, read, recognise faces and function day-to-day.

Importantly, the knowledge could help develop medical devices for reversing blindness such as the bionic eye, says Professor Paul Martin of The VC and The University of Sydney (USyd).

"Our eyes and brain work together to give us a recognisable world," Prof. Martin explains. "The eyes send the light signals they detect to the cortex or 'modern' brain which is responsible for higher functions like memory, thought and language."

"Our vision cells respond to different information – some to colour, some to brightness, and now we've found the ones that respond to patterns," Dr Kenny Cheong of The VC and USyd adds. "If you look at your computer screen, you'll see it has four sides, and each side has an orientation – horizontal or vertical. The cells are sensitive to these 'sides'."

What most surprised the researchers was the location of these cells. "We found these cells in the thalamus, which previously was only thought to pass information from the eyes to the cortex," Dr Cheong says.

"This means that the cortex, or the 'new' brain, isn't the only place that forms an image for us," says Prof. Martin. "Even in the early stages, there are multiple pathways and signals going into the brain, so it isn't simply doing a step by step construction of the world.

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"While other animals including cats, rabbits, bees and chickens also have edge detecting cells, this is the first study to indicate that primate vision – including human vision – does not all happen in the cortex."

These cells are also exceedingly rare, Prof. Martin says. "We actually saw them ten years ago, but these were a few cells out of thousands, so we thought that it was a mistake and discarded the data.

"But they cropped up every once in a while, and when we finally put them together, they look much more like cells in the cortex than in the thalamus."


Dr Cheong says the study provides a better understanding of the visual system, which is crucial for the development of devices or treatments to restore vision.

"People who lose their vision lack the nerve cells that respond to light, which contains information such as colour, brightness and patterns," he says. "So to develop a device like the bionic eye, we have to replicate the visual system, including these cells, using electronics. This means we must know what cells are present, how they work and what information they send to the brain."

The study "Cortical-like receptive fields in the lateral geniculate nucleus of marmoset monkeys" by Soon Keen Cheong, Chris Tailby, Samuel G. Solomon and Paul R. Martin was published in The Journal of Neuroscience. See: www.jneurosci.org/content/33/16/6864.full


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Journal reference:  Journal of Neuroscience search and more info website

Provided by  The ARC Centre of Excellence in Vision Science search and more info website

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-ancient-brain-accidents.html
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