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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2011, 07:34:49 AM »
I kind of remember that, I actually applauded it.
 disappeared?
that's fucking odd!

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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2011, 12:50:09 PM »
Re who killed JFK

This is an excerpt from something I posted in 'Tell Us About It', but I think it is just as viable here, given that book it is from is about the Kennedy assassination.

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let me quote author Mark Lane from his book 'Plausible Denial'. In an interview with Colonel Fletcher Prouty he discusses the Bay of Pigs invasion.

...Pundits were surprised when in 1976 George Bush Senior was appointed head of the CIA. How could a businessman with no international political or espionage experience attain such a lofty position?

In 1961 GB had shifted his oil intrests from land-based to ocean drilling, the company being re-named 'Zapata Offshore'. George always named his companies Zapata this, or Zapata that, it was his lucky charm. His oil rigs were all on placement in the Gulf of Mexico.

In 1961 Prouty's role was CIA procurement officer for the upcoming undercover Bay of Pigs invasion. He was to purchase two transport ships which would supply arms to troops at the Bay, and he was to deliver them to a disused USN dockyard in Florida for refitting. His work was now done, but he did recall that the invasion force would use one of the many oil rigs in the gulf as a jump-off staging post for the invasion.

It is interesting to note that the CIA top secret codename for the BOP invasion was 'Operation Zapata', and I am sure that the fact that the two transport ships were re-named 'The Barbara' (GB's wife) and 'The Houston' (his hometown) is pure coincidence.

Prouty also said that 'The Company' was absolutely shattered by the shame and loss "...of many good men..." at the Bay, and blamed Kennedy for what they considered an 'act of treason' in pulling support for the invasion after ground forces had been commited.

Looking at the above, it seems unlikely that 'Poppy' would NOT be involved in Dallas, somewhere down the line, even if only logistically.
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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2011, 12:53:14 PM »
among the ships involved carrying the ground troops and bullets
the Zapata,
and the Barbara.

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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2011, 01:08:15 PM »
I will post this again as Mr. Prouty's name came up again.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/
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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2011, 02:01:14 PM »
No Keith, according to Lane, the two ships were named The Barbara and The Houston, the Entire invasion and proposed takeover of Cuba was codenamed Operation Zapata (Bush names all his enterprises 'Zapata', for instance, 'Zapata Oil' became 'Zapata Offshore' when he turned to sea based prospecting)

The article is in the appendices of 'Plausible Denial'. It is a good read, but IMHO by far the best book ever written is 'JFK and the Unspeakable, Why He Died and Why it Matters' by James W. Douglass. It is meticulously researched (over 100 PAGES of references) brings together all the threads, names all the vested interests involved (the dark forces which still prosper to this day, the 'unspeakable' of the title) makes nonsense of the whole lone gunman idea, and shows us how we are still moved by these forces to this day.

As a footnote, JFK is probably the only reason why we are all still alive today. At the time of the Cuban crisis, Curtis le May was pushing for a simultaneous nuke strike on Cuba and the USSR. "Mr President, I can guarantee that we will get 180 million of theirs, against a loss of only 12 million of ours." No one knew at the time, but rather than a handful of missiles on the island, as we thought, the russians had over 120, including tactical battlefield nukes. Had the invasion occured, given itchy trigger fingers, it would have almost certainly led to global armaggedon in a matter of minutes...
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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2011, 02:46:24 PM »
you are correct, the codename was Zapata, the ship was Houston
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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2011, 03:29:41 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/08/jacqueline-kennedy-reportedly-believed-lyndon-b-johnson-behind-husbands/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023418/Jackie-O-tapes-reveal-JFKs-affairs-believed-death.html
Explosive Jackie O tapes 'reveal how she believed Lyndon B Johnson killed JFK and had affair with movie star'
She will allegedly reveal affair with actor William Holden
Believed Vice-President Johnson was behind husband's assassination
By Liz Thomas

Last updated at 6:20 PM on 8th August 2011


 Former first lady Jackie Kennedy is said to have made the tapes within months of JFK's assassination
Jackie Onassis believed that Lyndon B Johnson and a cabal of Texas tycoons were involved in the assassination of her husband John F Kennedy, ‘explosive’ recordings are set to reveal.
The secret tapes will show that the former first lady felt that her husband’s successor was at the heart of the plot to murder him.
She became convinced that the then vice president, along with businessmen in the South, had orchestrated the Dallas shooting, with gunman Lee Harvey Oswald – long claimed to have been a lone assassin – merely part of a much larger conspiracy.
Texas-born Mr Johnson, who served as the state’s governor and senator, completed Mr Kennedy’s term and went on to be elected president in his own right.
The tapes were recorded with leading historian Arthur Schlesinger Jnr within months of the assassination on November 22, 1963, and had been sealed in a vault at the Kennedy Library in Boston.

The then Mrs Kennedy, who went on to marry Greek shipping tycoon Aristotle Onassis, had ordered that they should not be released until  50 years after her death, with some reports suggesting she feared that her revelations might make her family targets for revenge.

She died 17 years ago from cancer aged 64 and now her daughter, Caroline Kennedy, has agreed to release the recordings early

A programme featuring the tapes will be aired by U.S. network ABC, and it is understood British broadcasters are in talks to show it here too.
ABC executives claimed the tapes’ revelations were ‘explosive’.
They are believed to include the suggestion that Mr Kennedy was having an affair with a 19-year-old White House intern, with his wife even claiming that she found knickers in their bedroom.
And they go on to reveal that she too had affairs – one with Hollywood star William Holden and another with Fiat founder Gianni Agnelli – as a result of the president’s indiscretions. It has also been claimed that, in the weeks before Mr Kennedy’s assassination, the couple had turned a corner in their relationship and were planning to have more children.
Historian Edward Klein, who has written several books on the Kennedy clan, said: ‘Jackie regarded the pretty young things in the White House as superficial flings for Jack. She did retaliate by having her own affairs.
‘There was a period during which she was delighted to be able to annoy her husband with her own illicit romances.’
It is believed that Caroline, 53, agreed to the early release of the tapes in exchange for ABC dropping its £10million drama series about the family.
The Kennedys, starring Tom Cruise’s wife Katie Holmes as Jackie, critically charted the family’s political and personal trials and tribulations since the 1930s. The series was eventually broadcast on an independent cable channel,  and on BBC2 in the UK, against Caroline’s wishes.
A spokesman for ABC said the claims about the content of the tapes were 'erroneous'.
He said: ‘The actual content of the tapes provide unique and important insight into our recent past from one of the most fascinating and influential First Ladies in American history.’
The broadcaster did not reply to repeated requests for comment and would not clarify what was on the tapes, saying the programme was not scheduled for broadcast until mid-September


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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2011, 07:36:18 PM »
http://www.federaljack.com/?p=140250
Judyth Vary Baker, the girlfriend of Lee Harvey Oswald and cancer researcher, survived yet another attempt on her life since coming out about who she is and what she knows about Lee Oswald, the assassination of JFK, weaponized cancer and more.
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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #48 on: November 04, 2011, 05:18:41 PM »
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LETTER I RECEIVED FROM LEE H. OSWALD'S GIRLFRIEND WHO IS IN EXILE
by Maralela , Friday, November 04, 2011, 14:21
I think it was gimp who posted something about the book below ("ME AND LEE). I had tried to order it before but had problems. (I wonder if that book company had problems with the U.S. "government".) Anyway, I ordered it from the author and it is on the way. Here below are 2 emails the author sent to me. (color for words is my emphasis)
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"Thank you very much for purchasing Me & Lee at what is an introductory price -- and it helps me immensely!
It is thoughtful of you to help, especially at this time! My dear friend, Joseph Hall, will make sure you get the book.
.... for the first time, was able to sign books, as I live in exile and in secrecy....--in Canada--and due to going there, a return trip had to occur in secret, passing through several countries.
The Canadian trip was a success -- with some 45 interviews, TV appearances,radio and podcasts---even though two events had to be canceled due to an incident that occurred there that might have been due to malice, which you might hear about at some time.
Though Canada was saturated with newspaper,TV and radio stories about
the book, nothing in print crossed the border into the US--not a single word.
It is blatantly being censored.
Therefore, if you have true concerns that the truth survives,
my prayer is that you will please tell others about the book.
Within its pages is the truth about the Kennedy assassination, which, when Lee's
innocence is acknowledged by all, then focuses on the CIA,their use of the mafia,the
compliance of the FBI, the generals Kennedy fired,rich oilmen, and LBJ/Nixon puppeteers,
all helped by the World Bank and Feds..this powerful cabal still exists and this is why
every effort is made to keep blaming the innocent patsy, Oswald, who ironically was responsible for
saving JFK's life, who knew about the cancer bioweapons project and CIA-mafia involvement thereof, and who,therefore, had to be silenced less than 47 hours after his arrest,before millions of viewers.
Help me to get the book to the people! This book gives you the answers!
this book, bought with blood of many witnesses, tells you how the US was taken over and why it matters to you, today!
Once again, you can contact me at ..........@yahoo.com,run by my friend Allan Mattsson,if you wish to correspond,though cannot always answer in a timely manner. Please know that your personal help is deeply appreciated and will aid me a hundred ways!
Sincerely and gratefully,
Judyth Vary Baker
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I asked her if I can post her letter on
http://surfingtheapocalypse.com/
She answered
"Yes, but please do not use this email address! thank you!"
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Do order her book! After reading Haslam's book "Dr. Mary's Monkey", I'm SURE Judyth Vary Baker's book will be VERY interesting if you would like to know what happened surrounding the death of President Kennedy plus probably much about the misdeeds of the corrupted people surrounding that death, and probably learn more about the bio weapon wars that are currently going on.
The book hasn't arrived yet but I'm certainly looking forward to receiving it.
AND you can help someone that can't go home for fear of death if you buy the book.

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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2011, 10:19:21 PM »
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Testimony Of Miss Victoria Elizabeth Adams
The testimony of Miss Victoria Elizabeth ADAMS was taken at 2:15 p.m., on April 7, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. David W. BELIN, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. BELIN - Do you want to stand and raise your right hand, please. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give before the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy shah be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Miss ADAMS - I do.
Mr. BELIN - All right. Would you please state your name?
Miss ADAMS - Victoria Elizabeth ADAMS.
Mr. BELIN - Are you known as Vickie ADAMS?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct.
Mr. BELIN - Where do you live?
Miss ADAMS - 4906 Wenonah, Dallas, Tex.
Mr. BELIN - What is your occupation?
Miss ADAMS - I am employed as an office survey representative.
Mr. BELIN - By whom?
Miss ADAMS - Scott Foresman Co.
Mr. BELIN - Where do you work?
Miss ADAMS - On the fourth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.
Mr. BELIN - Where?
Miss ADAMS - 411 Elm.
Mr. BELIN - That is at the corner of Elm and Houston?
Miss ADAMS - That is correct.
Mr. BELIN - I might ask how old are you?
Miss ADAMS - Twenty-three.
Mr. BELIN - Where were you born originally? In Texas?
Miss ADAMS - San Francisco, Calif.
Mr. BELIN - Did you go to school in San Francisco?
Miss ADAMS - I attended part of my grammar school and high school in San Francisco.
Mr. BELIN - Were you graduated from high school?
Miss ADAMS - In San Francisco, that's correct.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - Following that I entered the Ursaline Order in St. Mary's, Ohio, and I left there as a novice in 1961.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do from there?
Miss ADAMS - I went to Atlanta, Ga. and taught school at the Immaculate Heart of Mary School. And following that I came to Dallas and was employed by the Holiday Inn Central during the summer months, and I obtained a teaching position at St. Monica's School here.

Mr. BELIN - And you taught at St. Monica for some period of time?
Miss ADAMS - Yes; for 1 year.
Mr. BELIN - Then you went to work for Scott Foresman?
Miss ADAMS - I went to work for Scott Foresman.
Mr. BELIN - Were you at work on November 22, 1963?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct.
Mr. BELIN - Were you aware of the fact that the President's motorcade was going to go right by your building?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - How did you learn of this information?
Miss ADAMS - Through newspaper media and also conversation.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember when you first read about it in the papers?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BELIN - Would it have been before November 22d?
Miss ADAMS - Yes.
Mr. BELIN - Where were you when the motorcade passed?
Miss ADAMS - I was at the----
Mr. BELIN - Were you inside or outside the building?
Miss ADAMS - I was inside the building.
Mr. BELIN - What floor?
Miss ADAMS - Fourth floor.
Mr. BELIN - Did you watch the motorcade through a window?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Sometimes that is kind of complicated to try and pick out which window if you are counting from the right or left, so I am going to count from the east side of the building to the west side of the building. Now the windows are separate windows, but they are kind of in pairs, so to speak. Were you standing on the first pair of windows, either-one of those two windows?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Counting from the east side, were you standing in the second pair of windows?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - From the east side, were you standing in the third pair, of either of those windows?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Now, of that third pair, from the east side, would it have been the east window or the west window?
Miss ADAMS - The west window.
Mr. BELIN - So another way, if you don't count in pairs, but count in single units from the east side, you would have been in the sixth window from your left as you were facing out the window, is that correct?
Miss ADAMS - That's right.
Mr. BELIN - Were you standing with anyone
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - With whom?
Miss ADAMS - I was standing with Sandra Styles, Elsie Dorman, and Dorothy May Garner.
Mr. BELIN - Will you state what you saw, what you did, and what you heard?
Miss ADAMS - I watched the motorcade come down Main, as it turned from Main onto Houston, and watched it proceed around the corner on Elm, and apparently somebody in the crowd called to the late President, because he and his wife both turned abruptly and faced the building, so we had a very good view of both of them.
Mr. BELIN - Where was their car as you got .this good view, had it come directly opposite your window? Had it come to that point on Elm, or not, if you can remember
Miss ADAMS - I believe it was prior, just a second or so prior to that.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Miss ADAMS - And from our vantage point we were able to see what the President's wife was wearing, the roses in the car, and things that would attract men's attention. Then we heard---then we were obstructed from the view.
Mr. BELIN - By what?
Miss ADAMS - A tree. and we heard a shot, and it was a pause, and then a second shot, and then a third shot.
It sounded like a firecracker or a cannon at a football game, it seemed as if it came from the right below rather than from the left above. Possibly because of the report. And after the third shot, following that, the third shot, I went to the back of the building down the back stairs, and encountered Bill Shelley and Bill Lovelady on the first floor on the way out to the Houston Street dock.
Mr. BELIN - When you say on the way out to the Houston Street dock, you mean now you were on the way out?
Miss ADAMS - While I was on the way out.
Mr. BELIN - Was anyone going along with you?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir; Sandra Styles.
Mr. BELIN - Sometime after the third shot, and I don't want to get into the actual period of time yet, you went back into the stockroom which would be to the north of where your offices are located on the fourth floor, is that correct?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir; that's correct.
Mr. BELIN - When you got into the stockroom, where did you go?
Miss ADAMS - I went to the back stairs.
Mr. BELIN - Are there any other stairs that lead down from the fourth floor other than those back stairs in the rear of the stockroom?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Those stairs would be in the northwest comer of the building, is that correct?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct.
Mr. BELIN - You took those stairs. Were you walking or running as you went down the stairs?
Miss ADAMS - I was running. We were running.
Mr. BELIN - What kind of shoes did you have on?
Miss ADAMS - Three-inch heels.
Mr. BELIN - You had heels. Now, as you were running down the stairs, did you encounter anyone?
Miss ADAMS - Not during the actual running down the stairs; no, sir.
Mr. BELIN - After you left the Scott Foresman office and went into the stock-room, did you see anyone until you got to the stairs on the fourth floor other than the person you were with?
Miss ADAMS - Outside of our office employees; no.
Mr. BELIN - Would these office employees that you might have seen, all be women?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Then you got to the stairs and you started going down the stairs. You went from the fourth floor to the third floor?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct?
Mr. BELIN - Anyone on the stairs then?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Let me ask you this. As you got to the stairs on the fourth floor, did you notice whether or not the elevator was running?
Miss ADAMS - The elevator was not moving.
Mr. BELIN - How do you know it was not moving on some other floor?
Miss ADAMS - Because the cables move when the elevator is moved, and this is evidenced because of a wooden grate.
Mr. BELIN - By that you mean a wooden door with slats in it that you have to lift up to get on the elevator?
Miss ADAMS - Yes.
Mr. BELIN - Did you look to see if the elevator was moving?
Miss ADAMS - It was not; no, sir.
Mr. BELIN - It was not moving?
Miss ADAMS - No.
Mr. BELIN - Did you happen to see where the elevator might have been located?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - As you got to the third floor, did you take a look at the elevator again at all, or not, if you remember?
Miss ADAMS - I can't recall.
Mr. BELIN - As you got off the stairs on the third floor, did you see anyone on the third floor?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Then you immediately went to the stairs going down from the third to the second?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct.
Mr. BELIN - As you ran down the stairs, did you see anyone on the stairs?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - All right. You got down to the second floor. Did you see anyone by the second floor?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Did you immediately turn and run and keep on running down the stairs towards the first floor?
Miss ADAMS - Yes.
Mr. BELIN - When you got to the bottom of the first floor, did you see anyone there as you entered the first floor from the stairway?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Who did you see?
Miss ADAMS - Mr. Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady.
Mr. BELIN - Where did you see them on the first floor?
Miss ADAMS - Well, this is the stairs, and this is the Houston Street dock that I went out. They were approximately in this position here, so I don't know how you would describe that.
Mr. BELIN - You are looking now at a first floor plan or diagram of the Texas School Book Depository, and you have pointed to a position where you encountered Bill Lovelady and Mr. Bill Shelley?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct.
Mr. BELIN - It would be slightly east of the front of the east elevator, and probably as far south as the length of the elevator, is that correct?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - I have a document here called Commission's Exhibit No. 496, which includes a diagram of the first floor, and there is a No. 7 and a circle on it, and I have pointed to a place marked No. 7 on the diagram. Is that correct?
Miss ADAMS - That is approximate.
Mr. BELIN - Between the time you got off the stairs and the time you got to this point when you say you encountered them, which was somewhat to the south and a little bit east of the front of the east elevator, did you see any other employees there?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Any other people prior to the time you saw them?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Now when you were running down the stairs on your trip down the stairs, did you hear anyone using the Stairs?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Did you hear anyone calling for an elevator?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see the foreman, Roy Truly? Did you see the superintendent of the warehouse, Roy S. Truly?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir; I did not.
Mr. BELIN - What about any motorcycle police officers?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Now what did you do after you encountered Mr. Shelley and Mr. Lovelady?
Miss ADAMS - I said I believed the President was shot.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember what they said?
Miss ADAMS - Nothing.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - I proceeded out to the Houston Street dock.
Mr. BELIN - That would be on this same diagram? It is marked Houston Street dock, and you went through what would be the north door, which is towards the rear of the first floor, is that correct?
And down some stairs towards the rear of the dock?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct.
Mr. BELIN - Where did you go from there?
Miss ADAMS - I proceeded--which way is east and west?
Mr. BELIN - East is here. East is towards Houston, and west is towards the railroad tracks. You went east or west? Towards the railroad tracks or towards Houston Street?
Miss ADAMS - I went west towards the tracks.
Mr. BELIN - How far west did you go?
Miss ADAMS - I went approximately 2 yards within the tracks and there was an officer standing there, and he said, "Get back to the building." And I said, "But I work here."
And he said, "That is tough, get back." I said, "Well, was the President shot?" And he said, "I don't know. Go back." And I said, "All right."
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - I went back, only I went southwest.
Mr. BELIN - Well, did you come back by way of the street, or did you come back the same entrance you went out?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - You went back in through the front entrance, through the front of the building?
Miss ADAMS - Well, I didn't go back in right away.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do then? There is a street that would be a continuation of Elm Street that goes in front of the building, and Elm Street itself angles into the freeway. Did you go back either of those streets?

Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir. I went by the one directly in front of the building.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do when you got there?
Miss ADAMS - When I got there, I happened to look around and noticed several of the employees, and I noticed Joe Molina, for one, was standing in front of the building, and also Avery Davis, who works with me, and I said, "What do you think has happened?"
And she said, "I don't know."
And I said, "I want to find out." I think the President is shot.
There was a motorcycle that was parked on the corner of Houston and Elm directly in front of the east end of the building, and I paused-there to listen to the report on the police radio, and they said that shots had been fired which apparently came either from the second floor or the fourth floor window, and so I panicked, as I was at the only open window on the fourth floor.
Mr. BELIN - Did they say second floor or second floor from the top?
Miss ADAMS - It said second floor. So then I decided maybe I had better go back into the building, and going up the stairs---
Mr. BELIN - Now at this time when you went back into the building, were there any policemen standing in front of the building keeping people out?
Miss ADAMS - There was an officer on the stairs itself, and he was prohibiting people from entering the building, that is correct. But I told him I worked there.
Mr. BELIN - Did he let you come back in?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do ?
Miss ADAMS - Following that, I pushed the button for the passenger elevator, but the power had been cut off on the elevator, so I took the stairs to the second floor.
Mr. BELIN - You then went all the way back to the northwest corner of the building and took the same set of stairs you had previously taken to come down, or did you take the stairs by the passenger elevator?
Miss ADAMS - By the passenger elevator.
Mr. BELIN - Do those stairs go above floor 2?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir; they didn't.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do when you got to the second floor?
Miss ADAMS - I went into the Texas School Book Depository office and just listened for a few minutes to the people that were congregating there, and decided there wasn't anything interesting going on, and went out and walked around the hall to the freight elevator meaning the one on the northwest corner.
Mr. BELIN - Would it have been the west or the east? The one nearest the stairs or the other one?
Miss ADAMS - Yes; the one nearest the stairs.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - I went into the elevator which was stopped on the second floor, with two men who were dressed in suit and hats, and I assumed they were plainclothesmen.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do then?
Miss ADAMS - I tried to get the elevator to go to the fourth floor, but it wasn't operating, so the gentlemen lifted the elevator gate and we went out and ran up the stairs to the fourth floor.
Mr. BELIN - Then you went back to the Scott Foresman Company offices?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Now trying to reconstruct your actions insofar as the time sequence, which we haven't done, what is your best estimate of the time between the time the shots were fired and the time you got back to the building? How much time elapsed? If you have any estimate. Maybe you don't have one.
Miss ADAMS - I would estimate not more than 5 minutes elapsed.
Mr. BELIN - Is there any particular reason why you make this estimation?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir; going down the stairs toward the back, I was running. I ran to the railroad tracks. I moved quickly to the front of the building, paused briefly to talk to someone, listened only to the report of the windows from which the shot supposedly was fired, and returned to the building.
Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was between the time the shots were fired and the time you left the window to start toward the stairway?
Miss ADAMS - Between 15 and 30 seconds, estimated, approximately.
Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was, or do you think it took you to get from the window to the top of the fourth floor stairs?
Miss ADAMS - I don't think I can answer that question accurately, because the time approximation, without a stopwatch, would be difficult.
Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it took you. to get from the window to the bottom of the stairs on the first floor?
Miss ADAMS - I would say no longer than a minute at the most.
Mr. BELIN - So you think that from the time you left the window on the fourth floor until the time you got to the stairs at the bottom of the first floor, was approximately 1 minute?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, approximately.
Mr. BELIN - As I understand your testimony previously, you saw neither Roy Truly nor any motorcycle police officer at any time?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct.
Mr. BELIN - You heard no one else running down the stairs?
Miss ADAMS - Correct.
Mr. BELIN - When you got to the first floor did you immediately proceed to this point where you say you encountered Mr. Shelley and Mr. Lovelady?
Well, you showed me on a diagram of the first floor that there was a place which was south and somewhat east of the front part of the east elevator that you encountered Truly and Lovelady?
Miss ADAMS - I saw them there.
Mr. BELIN - I mean; you saw them?
Miss ADAMS - Yes.
Mr. BELIN - Would that have been a matter of seconds after you got to the bottom of the first floor?
Miss ADAMS - Definitely.
Mr. BELIN - Less than 30 seconds?
Miss ADAMS - Yes.
Mr. BELIN - Do you know, or did you know Lee Harvey Oswald either by sight or by name?
Miss ADAMS - I didn't know Lee Harvey Oswald, per se. I didn't know his name. I recognized him after I saw him on television, as having been with some men, but I had no dealing with him.
Mr. BELIN - By that, you mean having been employed with some men by the Texas School Book Depository?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct.
Mr. BELIN - During the trip down the stairs on the way down did you ever encounter Lee Harvey Oswald?
Miss ADAMS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Is there any other information that you can think of that might be relevant to anything, connected with the assassination?
Miss ADAMS - At the time I left the building on the Houston Street dock, there was an officer standing about 2 yards from the curb, and about from the curb across the street from the Texas School Depository, and about 4 yards from the corner of Houston and Elm, and when we were running out the dock, going around the building, the officer was standing there, and he didn't encounter us or ask us what we were doing or where we were going, and I don't know if that is pertinent.
Mr. BELIN - No one stopped you from getting out of the building when you left?
Miss ADAMS - That's correct.
Mr. BELIN - That is helpful information. Is there any other information you have that could be relevant?
Miss ADAMS - There was a man that was standing on the corner of Houston and Elm asking questions there. He was dressed in a suit and a hat, and when I encountered Avery Davis going down, we asked who he was, because he was questioning people as if he were a police officer, and we noticed him take a colored boy away on a motorcycle, and this man was asking questions very efficaciously, and we said, "I guess he is maybe a reporter," and later on on television, there was a man that looked very similar to him, and he was identified as Ruby.
And on questioning some police officer, they said they had witnesses to the fact that he was in the Dallas Morning News at the time. And I don't know whether that is relevant or what.
Mr. BELIN - That is all right, we want to get that information down. Was this before you got back in the front door of the building that you saw this?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir; while I was standing by the motorcycles.
Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else?
Miss ADAMS - That is all, I believe.
Mr. BELIN - Miss ADAMS, you have the opportunity if you would like, to read this deposition and sign it before it goes to Washington, or you can waive the signing of it and just let the court reporter send it directly to us. Do you have any preference?
Miss ADAMS - I think I will let you use your own discretion.
Mr. BELIN - It doesn't make any difference to us. If it doesn't make any difference, we can waive it and you won't have to make another trip down here.
Miss ADAMS - That is all right.
Mr. BELIN - We want to thank you for your, cooperation. We know that it has taken time on your part. Would you also thank your employer?
Miss ADAMS - Yes, sir.

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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2012, 01:35:14 PM »
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JFK’s Speech On Secret Societies



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•“The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings“
•“Today no war has been declared — and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack”
•“We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence — on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day”
•“It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations”
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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2012, 09:13:19 AM »
Michael Collins Piper Final Judgment - JFK Assassination Israeli Connections
http://youtu.be/UqS607XPJA4

Interesting premise. suggests that most of the players, Ruby, Ferry, Clay Shaw and even Oswald, sometimes unknowingly to themselves, were working for Permindex, seemingly an arms company based in Europe, but actually a black-ops money laundering front for mossad, leading to Dimona and the Israeli bomb. Also gives some surprising info about the movie 'JFK' and director Oliver Stone.

More and more it begins to appear not so much 'Who shot JFK?', but rather 'Who didn't?'

What I consider to be the worlds last free thinking leader sure stepped on an AWFUL lot of toes. Just goes to show how deeply the cabal is embedded in every layer of society.
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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #52 on: April 19, 2012, 09:38:25 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132229/Last-surviving-FBI-agent-JFK-autopsy-did-believe-single-bullet-theory-dies.html
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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2012, 10:04:05 AM »
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/nixon.html
The Death Of John Kennedy
Why Nixon resigned instead of facing impeachment.
 
Nixon resigned over an obstruction of justice charge (with some of the legal groundwork prepared by a young Hillary Rodham). Nixon resigned gracefully, the media declared the incident over and Gerald Ford declared that it was time to "put the whole affair behind us and move forward". This was done because the last thing anyone wanted in Washington D.C. was an impeachment trial. Even Nixon's worst enemies dared not allow it. The reason was simple. Sooner or later, someone would ask the following question: "Why, when Nixon's re-election was a study in foregone conclusions, was it necessary to break into the DNC headquarters at the Watergate?"
The answer to that question, never asked by politician, never asked by a servile media, was THE dark secret that could not be revealed; the secret that would have brought down the entire government!

Years later, it did come out what had been the motive for the break-in. It was connected to what Nixon called "Hanky Panky", "That Cuban Thing", and "That Bay of Pigs Mess", on the White House tapes.

The DNC had gotten copies of the photographs taken of the three tramps in Dealey Plaza, and identified two of them as long time Nixon henchmen E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis. The Democrats were using the photos to blackmail Nixon into calling off his campaign of sabotage in the final weeks before the GOP convention. There was no real need to wiretap the phones that justified the risks of the break-ins as Nixon's re-election was already a foregone conclusion. This is why E. Howard Hunt lead the break-in; it was his own ass he was trying to save.

The photos resurfaced as part of a news story, and E. Howard Hunt sued the publisher, Liberty Lobby. He lost. Attorney Mark Lane provided witnesses that placed E. Howard Hunt in Dealey Plaza at the time that John F. Kennedy was killed.

The photos.  >see link.


The tramps in Dealey Plaza. The enlargements of E. Howard Hunt is from the third frame down. The enlargement of Frank Sturgis is from the bottom frame.
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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2013, 03:24:35 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e0bIRkv29xk#!
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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
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The JFK Assassination: The Jim Garrison Tapes 1992
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Written and directed by John Barbour. Awarded Best Documentary by San Sebastian International Film Festival in 1993. This film has never aired on public television in the United States of America. W-H-Y...Why? http://johnbarboursworld.com/
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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
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http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/nixon.html
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The Death Of John Kennedy


Why Nixon resigned instead of facing impeachment.


 
Nixon resigned over an obstruction of justice charge (with some of the legal groundwork prepared by a young Hillary Rodham). Nixon resigned gracefully, the media declared the incident over and Gerald Ford declared that it was time to "put the whole affair behind us and move forward". This was done because the last thing anyone wanted in Washington D.C. was an impeachment trial. Even Nixon's worst enemies dared not allow it. The reason was simple. Sooner or later, someone would ask the following question: "Why, when Nixon's re-election was a study in foregone conclusions, was it necessary to break into the DNC headquarters at the Watergate?"
The answer to that question, never asked by politician, never asked by a servile media, was THE dark secret that could not be revealed; the secret that would have brought down the entire government!

Years later, it did come out what had been the motive for the break-in. It was connected to what Nixon called "Hanky Panky", "That Cuban Thing", and "That Bay of Pigs Mess", on the White House tapes.

The DNC had gotten copies of the photographs taken of the three tramps in Dealey Plaza, and identified two of them as long time Nixon henchmen E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis. The Democrats were using the photos to blackmail Nixon into calling off his campaign of sabotage in the final weeks before the GOP convention. There was no real need to wiretap the phones that justified the risks of the break-ins as Nixon's re-election was already a foregone conclusion. This is why E. Howard Hunt lead the break-in; it was his own ass he was trying to save.

The photos resurfaced as part of a news story, and E. Howard Hunt sued the publisher, Liberty Lobby. He lost. Attorney Mark Lane provided witnesses that placed E. Howard Hunt in Dealey Plaza at the time that John F. Kennedy was killed.

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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
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Anybody following closely the recent developments in JFK research cannot fail to notice that there are basically two kinds of books on Kennedy’s assassination. (I am only talking of books seriously engaged in the pursuit of truth, not those defending the Warren Commission cover-up, such as Vincent Bugliosi’s pitiful Reclaiming History, 2007).

Fifty years of investigative work and archive declassification has narrowed down the list of credible suspects: on the one side are books blaming a faction within the Military-Intelligence complex, the most recent and authoritative being: James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He died and Why it Matters (Touchstone, 2008), David Talbot, Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years (Simon & Schuster, 2007), and Mark Lane, Last Word: My Indictment of the CIA in the Murder of JFK (Skyhorse Publishing, 2011).

On the other side are books blaming Lyndon Johnson, represented recently by Phillip Nelson, LBJ: The Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination (XLibris, 2010), James Tague, LBJ and the Kennedy Killing, by Assassination Eyewitness (Trine Day, 2013), and Roger Stone, The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ (Skyhorse, 2013), just available this month. I will summarize the arguments of both theses, highlight their shortcomings and contradictions, and attempt to overcome them by pointing to an alternative hypothesis.

I will contend that these two trails of investigation, if coherently connected, do compliment each other, but not quite as two halves of the truth; rather as two thirds of the truth. The remaining third piece of the puzzle is the really “Unspeakable”.
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Re: Did James Files kill JFK? Then who did?
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2013, 05:48:41 PM »
Spent most of this week watching lots of new UK documentaries made especially for the JFK anniversary. My, my, how differently they now interpret the sixties years (cold war/space race, etc.) from those that I remember living through...

However, they did actually say that the crazed, lone, misfit, nutjob Oswald definitely had mixed rounds in his Manliker Karcano, one and two being full metal jacket, and only three (the headshot) being a frangible...WTF? Either Oswald pre-figured he was gonna score to the head with the dum-dum or Occams razor suggests a second shooter, am I right?

Anyway, for me, I always felt that there were multiple shooters, guns for hire are easy to get if the moneys right, but what about the why? Lincoln attempted to return to the gold standard and was dead 41 days later. In recent years, Hussain and Gadhaffi (both assets of the west) attempted to decouple the petrodollar and return to a gold standard, and sealed their fate.

Only Weeks before Dallas, JFK decoupled from the Federal Reserve with the premise of ending usery on his re-election. The reversal of this act was the first action of LBJ in his new administration. Qui Bono?
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