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« on: February 27, 2008, 12:43:59 PM »
Of all the stories I have read lately I found this one really touched a nerve.

Fortunately I copied the text and images (my latest project for a bathroom wall a storyboard with some good articles / images to read, sad, I know) as the original link at St. Petersburg Times is dead (a search on the site show no links to the story, strange as it's a recent one, but the site does appear to be undergoing some changes which I can't quite get my head around)

I can't imagine what it must have been like to undergo this experience but I do know it's what nightmares are made of...

For me the images really do add a strong pathos to the whole event, (about 250k in all ) if anyone wants copies pm me with an e-mail address.

There is brief article also to be found here at

and I just found a wiki. article here which I have yet to read:

The original article from looks like the real deal:

Mysterious Deaths of 9 Skiers Still Unresolved

By Svetlana Osadchuk
Staff Writer
Nine experienced cross-country skiers hurriedly left their tent on a Urals slope in the middle of the night,
casting aside skis, food and their warm coats.

Clad in their sleepwear, the young people dashed headlong down a snowy slope toward a thick forest, where they
stood no chance of surviving bitter temperatures of around minus 30 degrees Celsius.

Baffled investigators said the group died as a result of “a compelling unknown force” — and then abruptly closed
the case and filed it as top secret.

The deaths, which occurred 49 years ago on Saturday, remain one of the deepest mysteries in the Urals. Records
related to the incident were unsealed in the early 1990s, but friends of those who died are still searching for

“If I had a chance to ask God just one question, it would be, ‘What really happened to my friends that night?’”
said Yury Yudin, the only member of the skiing expedition who survived.

Yudin and nine other students from the Ural Polytechnic Institute embarked on the skiing expedition to Otorten
Mountain in the northern Urals on Jan. 28, 1959. Yudin fell ill near Vizhai, the last settlement before the
mountain, and was left behind.

What happened next has been reconstructed from the diaries of the rest of the group and the photographs they took.

Copies of the diaries, photos and investigators’ records were reviewed for this article.

The skiers, led by Igor Dyatlov, 23, set up camp for the night of Feb. 2 on the slope of Kholat-Syakhl, a mountain
next to Otorten. They pitched their tents at around 5:00 p.m., investigators said, citing photos that they
developed from rolls of film found among the abandoned belongings.

Why the nine skiers picked the spot is unclear. The group could have detoured just 1.5 kilometers down the
mountain to a forest, where they would have found shelter from the harsh elements.

“Dyatlov probably did not want to lose the distance they had covered, or he decided to practice camping on the
mountain slope,” Yudin said by telephone from Solikamsk, a town near Yekaterinburg, where the institute, now named
Ural State Technical University, is located.
When the group left the institute for the expedition, Dyatlov promised to send a telegram as soon as they returned
to Vizhai from Otorten Mountain, which he said would be by Feb. 12.But Yudin said Dyatlov told him when they parted ways that the group would probably return a few days later than

As such, no one was worried when the group failed to reappear on Feb. 12.
Only on Feb. 20, after relatives raised the alarm, did the institute send out a search-and-rescue team of teachers
and students. The police and army dispatched their airplanes and helicopters later.

Puzzling Evidence

The volunteer rescuers found the abandoned camp on Feb. 26.

“We discovered that the tent was half torn down and covered with snow. It was empty, and all the group’s
belongings and shoes had been left behind,” Mikhail Sharavin, the student who found the tent, said by telephone
from Yekaterinburg.

Investigators said the tent had been cut open from inside and counted traces of footprints from eight or nine
people in meter-deep snow. The footprints had been left by people who were wearing socks, a single shoe or were

Investigators matched the footprints to the members of the group, saying there was no evidence of a struggle or
that other people had entered the camp.

The footsteps led down the slope toward the forest but disappeared after 500 meters.
Sharavin found the first two bodies at the edge of the forest, under a towering pine tree. The two — Georgy
Krivonischenko, 24, and Yury Doroshenko, 21, were barefoot and dressed in their underclothes.

Charred remains of a fire lay nearby. The branches on the tree were broken up to five meters high, suggesting that
a skier had climbed up to look for something, perhaps the camp, Sharavin said. Broken branches also were scattered
on the snow.

The next three bodies — Dyatlov, Zina Kolmogorova, 22, and Rustem Slobodin, 23 — were found between the tree and
the camp. The way the bodies were lying indicated that the three had been trying to return to the camp.
The authorities immediately opened a criminal investigation, but autopsies failed to find evidence of foul play.

Doctors said the five had died of hypothermia. Slobodin’s skull was fractured, but the injury was not considered

It took two months to locate the remaining skiers. Their bodies were found buried under four meters of snow in a
forest ravine, 75 meters away from the pine tree. The four — Nicolas Thibeaux-Brignollel, 24, Ludmila Dubinina,
21, Alexander Zolotaryov, 37, and Alexander Kolevatov, 25 — appeared to have suffered traumatic deaths.

Thibeaux-Brignollel’s skull had been crushed, and Dubunina and Zolotarev had numerous broken ribs. Dubinina also
had no tongue.

The bodies, however, showed no external wounds.

The four were better dressed than the rest, and those who had died first had apparently relinquished their clothes
to the others. Zolotaryov was wearing Dubinina’s faux fur coat and hat, while Dubinina’s foot was wrapped in a
piece of Krivonishenko’s wool pants.

Deepening the mystery, a test of the clothes found they contained high levels of radiation.

The investigation, however, was closed after a few months, and investigators said they could not find anyone to
accuse of wrongdoing. Case files were sent to a secret archive. Skiers and other adventurers were barred from the
area for three years.

“I was 12 at that time, but I do remember the deep resonance that the accident had with the public, despite the
authorities’ efforts to keep relatives and investigators silent,” said Yury Kuntsevich, head of the
Yekaterinburg-based Dyatlov Foundation, which is trying to unravel the mystery.

Investigators first explored the theory that the local Mansi people had killed the skiers in revenge for
trespassing on their land. No evidence, however, was found to back up the theory; Neither Otorten nor
Kholat-Syakhl were considered sacred or taboo places by the Mansi, case documents said.

Further debunking the theory, a doctor who examined the bodies in 1959 said he believed that no man could have
inflicted the injuries because the force of the blows had been too strong and no soft tissue had been damaged,

“It was equal to the effect of a car crash,” said the doctor, Boris Vozrozhdenny, according to case documents.
‘Bright Flying Spheres’

In 1990, the chief investigator, Lev Ivanov, said in an interview that he had been ordered by senior regional
officials to close the case and classify the findings as secret. He said the officials had been worried by reports
from multiple eyewitnesses, including the weather service and the military, that “bright flying spheres” had been
spotted in the area in February and March 1959.

“I suspected at the time and am almost sure now that these bright flying spheres had a direct connection to the
group’s death,” Ivanov told Leninsky Put, a small Kazakh newspaper. He retired in Kazakhstan and has since died.

The declassified files contain testimony from the leader of a group of adventurers who camped about 50 kilometers
south of the skiers on the same night. He said his group saw strange orange spheres floating in the night sky in
the direction of Kholat-Syakhl.

Ivanov speculated that one skier might have left the tent during the night, seen a sphere and woken up the others
with his cries. Ivanov said the sphere might have exploded as they ran toward the forest, killing the four who had
serious injuries and cracking Slobodin’s skull.

Yudin said he also thought an explosion had killed his friends. He said the level of secrecy surrounding the
incident suggests that the group might have inadvertently entered a secret military testing ground. He said the
radiation on the clothes supported his theory.

Kuntsevich agreed, saying another clue to the deaths was the fact that the faces of the first five bodies had been
inexplicably tan. “I attended the funerals of the first five victims and remember that their faces look liked they
had a deep brown tan,” he said.

Yudin also said the released documents contained no information about the condition of the skiers’ internal
organs. “I know for sure that there were special boxes with their organs sent for examination, “ he said.
No traces of an explosion, however, have been found near Kholat-Syakhl.

No Records of Missiles

While a missile fired from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan could have reached the northern Urals, there are
no records of any launches at the time, said Alexander Zeleznyakov, a historian on Soviet missiles and a senior
official with the Korolyov Rocket and Space Corporation Energia. The Soviet Union’s other main launch pad,
Plesetsk, only opened in late 1959. Zeleznyakov also said the surface-to-air missiles that could have been
launched from the pads had not yet been built.

The Defense Ministry and the Yekaterinburg regional prosecutor’s office said they had no immediate information,
citing the age of the case.

Kuntsevich said he had led a group to the area last year and found a “cemetery” of scrap metal that suggested the
military had conducted experiments there at some time.
“We can’t say what kind of military technology was tested, but the catastrophe of 1959 was man-made,” he said.
A metal fragment from Igor Dyatlov’s Pass that Kuntsevich believes to be evidence in the case.
Yudin said the military might have found the tent before the volunteer rescuers. He said he had been asked to
identify the owner of every object found at the scene and had failed to find a match for a piece of cloth that
looked like it had come from a soldier’s coat, a pair of glasses, a pair of skis and a piece of a ski.

Yudin also said he had seen documents that led him to believe that the criminal investigation had been opened on
Feb. 6, 14 days before the search team found the tent.Dyatlov’s friends have looked into whether the deaths might
have been caused by an avalanche. Setting up the camp on the slope might have disturbed the snow above, causing it
to tumble down a few hours later. This would explain the ripped tent, which the skiers would have had to cut open
to exit.Skeptics of this theory point out that the skiers left the camp by foot and traveled more than a kilometer
in minus 30 C.Thibeaux-Brignollel would have been unconscious due to his shattered skull, said Mikhail Kornev, a
doctor with the S.M. Kirov Russian Medical Military Academy.

But his friends could have carried him. After all, investigators could not decide whether there were eight or nine
pairs of footprints in the snow.

Also, Dubinina and Zolotarev could have walked with their broken ribs, Kornev said. “I can grant this possibility
since the situation was extreme,” he said.

Six former rescuers and 31 independent experts gathered Friday in Yekaterinburg to look for answers about the
incident. They concluded that the military had been carrying out tests in the area and had inadvertantly caused
the deaths.

But “we still lack documents and ask the Defense Ministry, the space agency and the FSB to provide us with them to
obtain a full picture,” the participants said in a statement.

The conference was organized by Ural State Technical University, the Dyatlov Foundation and several
nongovernmental organizations.

What really happened on the night of Feb. 2, 1959, may never be known. But Dyatlov
is unlikely to be forgotten anytime soon.

The area where the group set up their last camp has been officially named Dyatlov’s Pass.
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 01:06:03 PM »
From the wiki. link a gallery of pics:
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2008, 04:17:06 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2008, 06:09:40 PM »
I have two theories.

1. Cold War testing of the secret military isotope Stupidium (wandering around with one sock on in subzero temperatures is just plain stupid), brain-scrambling ultrasonics / EMP, etc. etc.

2. Extraterrestials, after having mastered space time, faster-than-light travel, and gravity, came 152 light years just to subject us to their sloppy-arsed, primitive biohazards.

Of course, these are the theories of an earthling who experiences most of the trauma of an alien abduction just going for a medical examination by terrestrials - I have a desperate need to believe that genuine ETs could do slightly better.
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2008, 07:26:28 PM »
It reminds me of this:
"Black Holes" Devour People
Front page / Science

A group of 150 people disappeared within one minute
 Witnesses clearly saw that a glimmering cloud shrouded the people who entered a small valley. Then the foggy mass lifted off and disappeared in the blue carrying along the first battalion of the 5th Norfolk regiment of the British army - all soldiers to a man were gone...
Vanished in a cloud
The event which occurred on August 21, 1915, when an entire battalion was gone in the presence of other people, had been an official secret for over fifty years. Only in 1967 the documents containing the testimonies of twenty witnesses to this incident, which happened in the Southern Europe near Dardanelles, were made public. A long search for the vanished soldiers was mounted. But none of them had been found neither among the dead, nor among the POWs released by Turks after the war.

Mass disappearances of people are among the mysteries in the world history which are most hard to explain. So far scientists cannot offer a lucid explanation for such strange things, as the disappearance in 1590 of about a hundred men, women and children, who lived in an American colony on Roanoke Island. When the soldiers marched in the village, they saw burning candles and tables set for meal in the huts, but with no settlers around. The first idea was that Indians had killed them, but no drop of blood or dead body could be found anywhere. Only a few words were left carved seemingly in great haste on a tree near the priest's house reading "it doesn't look like... ".

The search for six hundred inhabitants of the settlement Hoer-Verde in Brazil, who disappeared on February 5, 1923, was given up a long time ago. The police thoroughly examined the vacated small town. At school, they noticed a gun, which was apparently used the day before, lying on the floor and words "there is no salvation” written on a blackboard.

“We can only guess why such mysteries happen, but so far we have failed to find any scientific explanation for them,” said Zong Li, Doctor of History from Harbin, who had been investigating cases of mass disappearances in China for many years. “Well, how can the disappearance of 3, 000 Chinese soldiers near Nanking, where they held their positions on a December night in 1937, be explained? Next morning, radio communication with this unit was suddenly lost, and a reconnaissance group dispatched quickly did not find any trace of the people. It appeared as if they had deserted, but around there were posts of armed guard and the soldiers could not escape unnoticed. Recently, an investigation in the city archive produced evidence of the 12th company 100 strong of the Soviet NKVD forces disappeared in November 1945. The group was heading for the railway station and did not come back. A search yielded only slight traces like tents put up for a halt, or an extinguished fire. That same year, a train carrying hundreds of passengers traveling from Guandun to Shanghai was lost halfway to its destination, leaving not a single nut. Where might all the passengers have gone?

The Ominous God

Researcher Richard Lazarus suggests that meteorites are behind these mysteries. During their fall on the ground, celestial bodies are charged with a potential as high as billions (!) of volt. On hitting Earth's surface they explode with a violent force, as it happened near the River Tunguska, Siberia. But sometimes meteorites fall apart before they reach Earth, hitting it with a huge wave of energy that creates electrostatic levitation. Under these circumstances, large groups of people, ships or even trains may be lifted up and transferred across vast distances.

Ancient Greeks of the city-states situated in Italy attributed the disappearance of people to the deeds of god Proteus. Consisting of protoplasm it dozes underground and once in 50 years wakes up to have a meal. Proteus could transform into any thing and was imagined as coming to the surface from volcanoes. So, people had to sacrifice to it a hundred of virgin slave girls leaving them near a volcano. And they disappeared without a trace, leaving behind only their fetters. The well-known American writer Dean Koontz in his horror book Phantoms favors a theory of the incorporeal god and believes that Proteus existed in realoty.

“It is an enormous mass of protoplasm covering maybe an area of some square kilometers,” explains Koontz. “Some millions years of age, it is probably one of the very first forms of life existing in the entrails of Earth or deep in the ocean. Once or twice in a century it eats people dissolving and digesting them almost entirely. Deep pools of water were found in the huts of Roanoke colony. A Chinese pilot searching for a missed train spotted from air a small lake that seemed to emerge from nowhere. Frozen water was found in the huts of an abandoned small Eskimo village on the shores of Lake Anjikuni, Canada, in 1930. The human body is 90 percent water, and that was perhaps all that was left of the dissolved victims of Proteus.

Missing ships

Stories about crews vanishing with their ships are known worldwide. The story of the brig Mary Celeste found in 1872 drifting between the Azores and Portugal is a classic example. A boarding party dispatched from another ship discovered unfinished smoking tobacco pipes, prepared meals, mugs with dried up beer... and not a single sailor onboard.

The same happened near Philippines when in 1955 the steam-ship Hoita was found drifting without a crew, or in 1941, when a patrol vessel in the North Atlantic came upon the ship Iceland to find her engines running and everything looking normal, except that not a single soul was seen anywhere around.

“I blame the so-called “black holes” for disappearance of people”, says Jane Lindsett, Professor, California University, San Francisco. “Periodically, time and space on Earth refract, and entire cities may find themselves in a different dimension, which sometimes "spits them out". There are scores of such "black holes " on Earth, and people frequently get in them. A decade ago, a 36-year-old Lydia Kimfield, Androver (Texas), disappeared during her visit to the doctor. An hour later her body was found one thousand kilometers away from the city. An autopsy showed that she had died two months earlier! In the state of New Mexico there is a road on which 19 people disappeared without a trace, the last case being in 1997. The road runs across the desert, which can be observed from air. The vanished people might have been carried over to the ocean or woods where they perished. Objects cannot travel across space, that's why ships were found vacated, but the belongings of those who disappeared were in place”.

At the same time, Professor Lindsett cannot explain the mysterious signs on the wall of the Mayan temple and on the tree in Roanoke.

One of the recent bizarre events happened in the village of Stomu, Congo, in 2001 in a quiet area in the north, where the local insurgents were not active. The UN staff that brought humanitarian aid to the village (there are problems with food supplies in that country ) found there neither people, nor domestic animals and poultry. The tribe leader attempted to give a warning in the local language about something awful using a piece of charcoal to scrawl "Run! It...". But the phrase was left unfinished.


In the Soviet Union, the authorities generally hushed up cases of unexplained disappearance of people. However, in 1991, the KGB declassified some information about an An-2 airplane, which had vanished from the radar screens thirty years earlier near the city of Sverdlovsk with seven people aboard. Soon, a rescue team in the woods found the wrecks of the disintegrated airplane. Not a trace of bodies or a drop of blood inevitably present after similar crashes was found, only a circle of unclear origin 30 meters in diameter was burnt out on the ground not far from the crash site. Later, the rescuers had to sign papers undertaking recognizance not to disclose anything they had seen.

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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2008, 08:48:09 PM »
Stupendium    :cheers:
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 09:07:07 PM »
Yeah, well about the clothes...remember how we used to giggle over Russian so-called fashion shows back in the day?

Also, it seems like it was maybe a case of abort mission! compared with the stories in my post.

hrm, have a gander at this:
It looks very 1959 to me. And the identical parkas worn by all four look awfully Russian: unisex clothing was a Communist deal, but didn't catch on here until decades later.

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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 10:46:47 PM »
woo hoo Janey I'll run with it :yay:

Don't worry about the link KGB
this story was recently (re)published (?) and linkage is everywhere
This one seems a little older..

The name, Otorten, in translation from Mansi language means
"Mountain of the dead men..."

A 1959 case report from Russia graciously reported and translated for us by Michael Trachtengerts in Moscow. His letter reads as follows:

"I translated for you my letter to my friend and former participant of Moscow Crypto Seminar, Mr. Ilya Treyger. He lives now in Denver. Colorado and has own Internet site. He placed this letter in Russian in it.

The address of the page is:

I suppose it may be interesting to you. The style of a private letter remained. If you have questions about any part of the letter or situation I readily answer you. I also reproduced for you a piece
of map with Otorten Mountain to locate the place. Michael Trachtengerts, Moscow
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Hi, Ilya!
Now I wish to tell you something that'll be interesting to you. (In English)
You probably know about a strange old incident when a group of tourists was found dead in a ski tour on Ural in 1959. The leader of the group was Djatlov.

It was the case, when at a terrible night all skiers were frightened by something unknown and in obvious panic had rushed out of their tent. They cut the walls of their tents with knives and ran from the camp in different ways. They all were found dead near the camp without body damages and with the stiffened horror on their faces. No footsteps of another persons or big animals were found.

There was police investigation and expeditions of rescue rangers but not any reasonable explanation was proposed. Rumours about UFO and the like were discussed among tourists. But nothing was clear till now.

In 1999, Vadim Chernobrov, who explores such phenomena, was there and has made a short report to our seminar. He received access to materials of the investigation and to the certificates of postmortem examinations. He conversed with those who participated in the investigation of this strange case. He found out the real happening was somewhat different from what was told later by generations of tourists.

Till February 1, 1959 the group continued its way as usual in habitual order. It's interesting that many of tourists had diaries and daily wrote down their own impressions. These diaries were found but there was nothing in them that showed menace for the guys. They contained only different details of life during the trek. On February 1st they came to Otorten Mountain that is rather flat and suitable for easy climb on skis. According to the plan of the trek they had to climb it.

The name, Otorten, in translation from Mansi language means "Mountain of the dead men", and the native people try to avoid visiting the place. It's located in upper parts of Pechora River at a joint of borders of Sverdlovsk, Perm, and Tyumen Provinces and Komi Republic.

But on February 1st some strange things appeared in behaviour of the group as police investigation had revealed. They had stopped to camp much earlier, than usually. The people had put tents one km from top only and in 1,5 km from edge of a forest on an entirely open place. The group without problems could pass this day on the mountaintop and stay in forest with firewood as usual. That day nobody wrote in diaries, but for some unknown reason they unwrapped the large sheet of paper and wrote on it in upper part by the large letters such words: "From now on we know that the snow men exist".

The inspectors have decided that the group didn't feel quite themselves and have started to make wallpaper for their club, not waiting for the end of the trek. They were sure that the guys named themselves as "snow men" as they were very strong winter travelers.

Ilya, please recollect that in that time snowmen stories came only from the Himalayas and none from Soviet Union with the only message by hydrologist Pronin at Pamir. Nobody could think about hominoid at Polar circle, and official persons especially!

Now, Vadim Chernobrov knew much more about hominoids than anybody did in those times and he viewed the situation anew.

From the certificates of postmortem examinations he'd found out that three from all nine men had their ribs fractured. They were damaged symmetrically on right and left parts of the bodies and without externally visible impacts. As though a very strong someone had embraced them. It is obvious that these men had real reason for horror.

As to absence of traces, after February 1st strong winds blew and the snow was blown off and its level had lowered by 25 centimeters. Instead of usual deep traces chains of small hillocks of pressed snow led from the tent in different directions. It's possible that elevations of hard snow from huge hominoid footsteps were not understood as such and were considered as stones or something else that stood out of snow.

In addition to said above Chernobrov found out that in 1958 year a group of Mansi hunters were lost mysteriously near the Otorten Mountains. In general, this place became known as very menacing and nobody from native people wished to go there.

I didn't find in this hypothesis anything that would contradict our modern knowledge about hominoids in Taiga Regions."
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2008, 10:47:17 PM »
cute Ruski pic... the guy second from left looks like an elf!
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2008, 06:35:57 PM »
I would be willing to bet this was probably a ufo, explains the radiation and the general wierdness of thye whole thing.

I remember the story of a man who said he came into contact with a UFO, gave him radiation burns after he touched it. As for an explosion, mabe, if there was one, I would think there would have been more evidence. Now really, I would think a malfunctioning UFO could have been the cause, happened to come down in the area giving off radiation and that disoriented the campers causing them to get up. So the UFO hovered close to the ground so the occupants could effect repairs, well you could imagine them possibly being startled when some random people come wandering towards them out of the woods, perhaps they became startled and used a directional force weapon on them.

Its always fun to think of things like this.
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